Spurs Youth - 2019/20

[Locotoro]

If we have such little interest in the competition that we were willing to just drop out completely, doesn't entering but playing our reserves and youth team make more sense? The worst case scenario is we end up out of the competition anyway, the best case scenario is we put a little run together, give game time to players who might otherwise struggle to see any, and potentially reach the latter stages of the competition when we can decide whether it's worth treating it more seriously.

But if we're looking to loan out more players then you may end up leaving yourself thin on numbers

 

[spursfan77]

I don't know much about Dean Rastrick - can anyone give any views?

At one stage I think he was in charge of brining the youngsters to the club. So in charge of youth scouting. Although I could be wrong.

The appointment I find weird is Paul Bracewell. Only coached at Sunderland in youth capacity. Strange.

 

[C0YS]

At one stage I think he was in charge of brining the youngsters to the club. So in charge of youth scouting. Although I could be wrong.

The appointment I find weird is Paul Bracewell. Only coached at Sunderland in youth capacity. Strange.

Seems aright for me, Sunderland have produced some pretty good talent, worked there in all age groups and as assistant manager under 3 managers in the PL, has managed professionally for Halifax as well.

OK it seems like he has been out of the game for 3 years, but this is a considerable demotion from being assistant to at the time a PL club so he seems well qualified for it.

 

[Barmby Army]

But if we're looking to loan out more players then you may end up leaving yourself thin on numbers

Again though...if the alternative is just not being in the competition at all, who cares if we have to put out a very inexperienced side? Worst case scenario is we get a bit of a hiding if we get a tough draw - make it clear to the kids that the result is not important, it's just an opportunity for them to play some competitive men's football. Best case scenario is a youngster comes from nowhere to get their foot in the door.

Look at Liverpool last season - they got slapped 5-0 away to Villa in the League Cup because they had to put out a side that didn't even feature some of their better youngsters like Jones and Williams...but it hasn't slowed the progress of Elliott, Hoever or van den Berg, all of whom played in that hammering and are expected to be around the first team regularly next season.

It won't feel great if we put out a youth team and get beaten heavily, but the result will be viewed in context. And who knows, maybe a player like Cirkin or White might put in the type of performance that gives Mourinho the confidence to push them up to the first team. It seems mad to me to complain about a situation where circumstances dictate that we have to play our youngsters in a game of relatively low importance. It's an opportunity.

 

[RichieS]

José is going to be seriously pissed if this doesn't get sorted. He always has a tilt at the League Cup.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I’m quite excited by the changes. Mason wouldn’t be handed it just for PR, he must have shown some talent as it’s a responsible role he’s taken on. Having a more experienced head like Powell alongside him is great, as he still has much to learn I imagine.

Rastrick overseeing things I imagine ensures a continuation of what McDermott had in place, which in fairness did develop a lot of exciting young footballers, they just didn’t get a chance under Pochettino.

I look forward to an early naughties Barca style first xi of mainly academy products. CL 2022 winners with Kane up front, returned Edwards on the right, Winks and White running things from the middle, and a defence that has Cirkin, Tanganga and KWP left centre and right!

 

[Cornpattbuck]

I’m quite excited by the changes. Mason wouldn’t be handed it just for PR, he must have shown some talent as it’s a responsible role he’s taken on. Having a more experienced head like Powell alongside him is great, as he still has much to learn I imagine.

Rastrick overseeing things I imagine ensures a continuation of what McDermott had in place, which in fairness did develop a lot of exciting young footballers, they just didn’t get a chance under Pochettino.

I look forward to an early naughties Barca style first xi of mainly academy products. CL 2022 winners with Kane up front, returned Edwards on the right, Winks and White running things from the middle, and a defence that has Cirkin, Tanganga and KWP left centre and right!

Mason has always been very switched on. Think he'll be fantastic.

 

[Yiddo100]

 

[Saoirse]

If we have such little interest in the competition that we were willing to just drop out completely, doesn't entering but playing our reserves and youth team make more sense? The worst case scenario is we end up out of the competition anyway, the best case scenario is we put a little run together, give game time to players who might otherwise struggle to see any, and potentially reach the latter stages of the competition when we can decide whether it's worth treating it more seriously.

Agreed. If we got lucky and drew League One/Two opposition in both rounds, there's an outside chance the kids could do the business.

 

[Montalbano]

Strange decision from the club IMO. It seems silly to not participate in the EFL Trophy, as it gives valuable senior football experience to our youngsters. Even if we do plan to loan out much of our U23s or give them opportunities in the Europa League / Carabao Cup, we could’ve sent our U18s to compete in the EFL Trophy.

With that all in mind, it strikes me as a potential cost cutting maneuver.

 

[George94]

Skipp, Jack Clarke, Roles, Marsh etc all expected to go on loan. Parrott has already joined Millwall.

If we had to send our younger players/youth team to play in the League Cup, who would be expected to play?

Can't think of many who would be anywhere near ready to compete.

Austin
Fagan Walcott
Cirkin
Harvey White
J'Neil Bennett
Kion Etete

?

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Edwards, Onomah and KWP are all Spurs fans. It's rare enough finding Spurs fans in the academies but when your 3 most talented players are all Spurs fan it definitely feels like an opportunity missed.

At least we got Winks and Kane who are Spurs fans.

If I'm Edwards there is no chance I'm coming back here. Mourinho wouldn't guarantee him football and he isn't a Mourinho type players anyway. Soon enough he'll criticise him for his height or not tracking back enough.

He's enjoying his football he should just stay where he is. Maddox has just joined them as well so he'll be playing with 2 other players he won the u19 Euros with next season. For England's sake hopefully he can perform again and get a move to a bigger club

The same Mourinho who played Eden Hazard in his team?

 

[Montalbano]

Skipp, Jack Clarke, Roles, Marsh etc all expected to go on loan. Parrott has already joined Millwall.

If we had to send our younger players/youth team to play in the League Cup, who would be expected to play?

Can't think of many who would be anywhere near ready to compete.

Austin
Fagan Walcott
Cirkin
Harvey White
J'Neil Bennett
Kion Etete

?

There is no way Mourinho will risk sending out a team of all U23s. He’ll take any chance at silverware seriously.

Even without any further incomings or outgoings, we can field two completely different sides with our current crop [barring injury]

Son Kane Lucas
Ndombele PEH GLC
Davies Dier Toby Aurier
Lloris

Bergwijn
Sessegnon Dele Lamela
Winks Sissoko
Cirkin Sanchez Foyth Tanganga
Gazzaniga

 

[taidgh]

There is no way Mourinho will risk sending out a team of all U23s. He’ll take any chance at silverware seriously.

Even without any further incomings or outgoings, we can field two completely different sides with our current crop [barring injury]

Son Kane Lucas
Ndombele PEH GLC
Davies Dier Toby Aurier
Lloris

Bergwijn
Sessegnon Dele Lamela
Winks Sissoko
Cirkin Sanchez Foyth Tanganga
Gazzaniga

Think youre confusing the League Cup with the EFL Trophy. The latter is a completion for League 1 and 2 sides and PL clubs can put in a youth side. We've apparently not decided to enter our youth team.

 

[EQP]

Skipp, Jack Clarke, Roles, Marsh etc all expected to go on loan. Parrott has already joined Millwall.

If we had to send our younger players/youth team to play in the League Cup, who would be expected to play?

Can't think of many who would be anywhere near ready to compete.

Austin
Fagan Walcott
Cirkin
Harvey White
J'Neil Bennett
Kion Etete

?

Georgiou and Markanday are still around as well.

 

[IGSpur]

The same Mourinho who played Eden Hazard in his team?

Still a big difference between Hazard who was one of the most sought after players at Lille and had established himself as Chelsea's best player before Mourinho returned, than Edwards who has still only played in the Portuguese league and shown promise.

Edwards coming back would be more akin to Mourinho having Salah from the Swiss league or KDB from the Belgian league, who both showed ability at 21/22 in weaker leagues but ultimately were not trusted or given chances by Mourinho.

EDIT:

I did a quick at a glance, transfermarkt check on them all.
In KDBs last season at Genk 8g/15a in 36 games. So he'd be 20 I think
In Salah's last season at Basel 10g/6a in 29 games. So he'd be 21 I think

Edwards this season 7g/9a in 26 games, at 20 turning 21.

Now I don't know what league is the best, but I do know those two were playing for the best or one of the best teams in their league whereas Edwards definitely is not.

So actually if we look at their career trajectory after not being trusted or rated by Mourinho, it may actually help Edwards coming back here and not getting played

 

[Sweech]

Think youre confusing the League Cup with the EFL Trophy. The latter is a completion for League 1 and 2 sides and PL clubs can put in a youth side. We've apparently not decided to enter our youth team.

I think the question is that with some of the youth going out on loan who has opportunities/is good enough to get some game time in the cups/Europa League?

At least that's a question I've been pondering myself and to be honest I'm really not sure beyond Tanganga and Cirkin.

 

[danielneeds]

Still a big difference between Hazard who was one of the most sought after players at Lille and had established himself as Chelsea's best player before Mourinho returned, than Edwards who has still only played in the Portuguese league and shown promise.

Edwards coming back would be more akin to Mourinho having Salah from the Swiss league or KDB from the Belgian league, who both showed ability at 21/22 in weaker leagues but ultimately were not trusted or given chances by Mourinho.

EDIT:

I did a quick at a glance, transfermarkt check on them all.
In KDBs last season at Genk 8g/15a in 36 games. So he'd be 20 I think
In Salah's last season at Basel 10g/6a in 29 games. So he'd be 21 I think

Edwards this season 7g/9a in 26 games, at 20 turning 21.

Now I don't know what league is the best, but I do know those two were playing for the best or one of the best teams in their league whereas Edwards definitely is not.

So actually if we look at their career trajectory after not being trusted or rated by Mourinho, it may actually help Edwards coming back here and not getting played

Big difference was that at Chelsea his mandate was to win the league or CL, and it’s hard to do that with inexperienced players. Here, it is different. We have to develop players because we can’t afford to buy them fully formed, hence the Levy quote that we make our own stars. Unless Jose understands this we’ve got no chance.

 

[IGSpur]

Big difference was that at Chelsea his mandate was to win the league or CL, and it’s hard to do that with inexperienced players. Here, it is different. We have to develop players because we can’t afford to buy them fully formed, hence the Levy quote that we make our own stars. Unless Jose understands this we’ve got no chance.

We all have our own targets. Mourinho will be expected to get into the CL here, the same expectation as Poch. That was the reason used to not try inexpereinced players then, despite the mantra of developing our own players being the same. Mourinho is no different to Poch, and I highly doubt he would use a still relatively inexperienced player to attempt to get CL football

 

[C0YS]

While I like the idea of Edwards coming back, I think it would be best for both for Edwards to focus where he is and develop in the way he can. Coming back to us would be a backwards step for his development.