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nailsy

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Think a few on here either need to watch Traore more especially what he's been doing this season or stop letting your imaginations run wild if you think he's going to be able be a better version of Traore especially off the bat. More consistent end product? Maybe but in terms of speed, dribbling, power, running at defenders; Traore is incredible. Would absolutely love Traore in our team except he probably lacks the consistency for the outlay Wolves will be asking.

He seems to be the most improved player in the league this season.
 

spids

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Whilst Traore has improved a lot this season he still only has 5 goals in 52 PL games. For a WF that isn’t aspirational.
 

Spurs Lodge Kittens

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I would be surprised to see Lucas Moura here in September tbh, especially if this is the kind of signing we're making
it would make sense to me to cash in over the summer based off his age and that his one and only asset will start to diminish soon. I'd also think we could get a reasonable fee for him that we could use to invest elsewhere and in players that are, generally, more consistent.
 

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Whilst Traore has improved a lot this season he still only has 5 goals in 52 PL games. For a WF that isn’t aspirational.
Sometimes it's not all about goals and assists. The way Traore is playing is frightening the life out of defenders, and as consequence he's committing multiple players to track and defend against him, which in turn is opening space for his teammates across the rest of the pitch. He's opening up the space to help create the assists and goals within the next couple passes. Wolves are picking up great results with him in the team.

Anyway, fingers crossed we can get Steven Bergwijn signed up, he looks a quality addition to our squad
 
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nailsy

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Whilst Traore has improved a lot this season he still only has 5 goals in 52 PL games. For a WF that isn’t aspirational.

To be fair before this season he was mainly used as a sub as he wasn't good enough to start. He's still better against clubs that actually look to play though. He's got three against Man City this season, one against us, and he was excellent against Liverpool last week.
 

carpediem991

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Whilst Traore has improved a lot this season he still only has 5 goals in 52 PL games. For a WF that isn’t aspirational.

So Lo Celso is complete dog poo with 0 goals and 0 assists in the league so far?

30m € for Bergwijn would be solid business and gives me more confidence as a 60 m Fernandes who is best in a position where Dele Alli seems to be undroppable.
 

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Think a few on here either need to watch Traore more especially what he's been doing this season or stop letting your imaginations run wild if you think he's going to be able be a better version of Traore especially off the bat. More consistent end product? Maybe but in terms of speed, dribbling, power, running at defenders; Traore is incredible. Would absolutely love Traore in our team except he probably lacks the consistency for the outlay Wolves will be asking.

I think a lot of people are thinking about him back when he played for Boro, where he was a standout but never seemed to do anything with the ball. There was a televised game vs Boro when they were back in the PL last which might be the reference point for a lot of opinions.

A lightbulb just seems to have gone off with him this season in terms of end product for sure. He's always been an absolute beast but has really developed his shooting technique and is picking out assists. The real elite will be looking at him now because of it. Sterling and Salah are examples where things just clicked and went up a level.

Bergwijn seems to have all the tools to be a real threat (pace, power, trickery) but sounds like he's still waiting for that lightbulb moment. If it comes with us we'll have a real talent on our hands. Feels like exactly the kind of deal we should be doing. I've been all for Zaha in the past saying we could use a different dimension to our attack. This guy looks to fit the bill at a good price so I'm pretty excited for this one.
 

Spurs Lodge Kittens

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I'm a big Traore fan and have been banging his drum for a while, but i think it's unfair to make a direct comparison between these two. Traore is much quicker, more direct and probably scares teams more but Bergwijn is the more well-rounded player. Decent pace, decent dribbling ability, better vision etc. That's not to say he's 'necessarily better' but those expecting a Traore-type player will be surprised.

The comparison to Zaha above isn't bad. This lad is a smoother Zaha in my view.
 

wrd

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I think a lot of people are thinking about him back when he played for Boro, where he was a standout but never seemed to do anything with the ball. There was a televised game vs Boro when they were back in the PL last which might be the reference point for a lot of opinions.

A lightbulb just seems to have gone off with him this season in terms of end product for sure. He's always been an absolute beast but has really developed his shooting technique and is picking out assists. The real elite will be looking at him now because of it. Sterling and Salah are examples where things just clicked and went up a level.

Bergwijn seems to have all the tools to be a real threat (pace, power, trickery) but sounds like he's still waiting for that lightbulb moment. If it comes with us we'll have a real talent on our hands. Feels like exactly the kind of deal we should be doing. I've been all for Zaha in the past saying we could use a different dimension to our attack. This guy looks to fit the bill at a good price so I'm pretty excited for this one.

Yep and @Wig made an excellent post which better articulated my point about output numbers maybe not being amazing but the space he creates for his team is excellent and is a big part of Wolves success. A very different player this season and he is also a very unique player, very few have managed to carry his physique and avoid injuries and still have that speed and its that uniqueness that makes me question comparing Bergwijn to him. Bergwijn for all we know may be a significantly more consistent player in terms of goals and assists but to say he's gonna be a better version of Traore is setting him up to fail in the eyes of excited expectations imo.
 

Mark_147

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I like McNeil, but don't think we'll sign Bowen (unfortunately.) I actually think Bowen would be the better signing for us, as he scores a lot of goals cutting in from the right, where as McNeil is more of traditional left winger.

If we're looking to essentially start fresh with a new team then Lucas (28 in August) and Lamela (28 in March) are most likely to be moved on.
We've given new contracts to Alderweireld and Sissoko recently who are both 30, so not sure why you think a couple of 28 year olds will be moved on.
 

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PSV’s chairman after speaking to Levy:

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‘He promised me all the gold I could eat!’
 

Hakkz

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This Traore band-wagon is weird. He's only just starting to fulfill some of his promise but he is nowhere near as good as some of you are making out. In the worst Prem competition in donkey's years he's got as many assists as Son - who doesn't even pass. Definitely going through a decent purple patch mind. About time he had his first one, at 24.

Indeed. That's why I said that he has been amazing this season. He's playing with a fuckton of confidence and that's possible at a club like Wolves. If he could play as well at a bigger club surrounded by sighs and boos when it's not going as well is another matter.

He's the most entertaining player in the league this season, imo.
 

Stoof

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He's the most entertaining player in the league this season, imo.

How you can say that when our entire defensive unit has been ridiculously entertaining (from the rest of the league's perspective) is beyond me.
 
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