Style of play

[TorontoYid]

The xG stat was 3.23 to 0.11 for them with 30-3 shots. We were really lucky they didn't convert more chances. We did as well we realistically could have.

agreed. That is why I say had we attacked more they likely would have scored. Like it or not City is a top team with offence second to none.

 

[buckley]

Talk about one mans ceiling is another mans floor someone was suggesting that failure in three semi finals was piss poor by Poch .
My view is that we did well to reach three semi finals and with more of the rub of the green we could have been in three finals .
Vorm playing one did not help / the Son penalty that never was.just of the top of my head and who knows if VAR had been in operation we may have been in three finals instead.
You will have to pardon my opinions as I am a fan that fully supports Spurs and Poch and being a realist I am also an optimist and try to see the best in things instead of the downside and always knocking players / manager / club/ I really can't see what enjoyment if your views are always pessimistic and and gloomy .

 

[spursgirls]

What did you find?

The video I posted!

 

[greavesy461]

The Dele Alli thread seems to be locked for some reason so posting here as seems relevant to the style of play question as well. A good quick read on Dele’s change of position (and slight dip in form) last year. I’m personally excited to see what he can do with Ndombele et al behind him this year:

https://statsbomb.com/2019/08/dont-forget-dele/

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

I don’t understand how we haven’t been able to fix the slow starts. Poch talks about it a decent amount in his book so he’s been trying to solve it for over 3 years

 

[LeParisien]

I don’t understand how we haven’t been able to fix the slow starts. Poch talks about it a decent amount in his book so he’s been trying to solve it for over 3 years

Our results weren’t bad last year ... they aren’t this year ...

 

[JCRD]

I don’t understand how we haven’t been able to fix the slow starts. Poch talks about it a decent amount in his book so he’s been trying to solve it for over 3 years

There have been times where we have started quickly but after about 10 minutes when we havent scored we revert back to being pedestrian or predictable. Hopefully with GLC and the likes of a fit Lamela we may improve in that regard.

 

[walworthyid]

Yep I know it was a record points total for 2nd lol.

Poch has failed in 3 semi finals, so we are not even really reaching finals and in my opinion we got very very lucky to make the CL final last year, we scraped past man city over 2 legs and needed VAR, Ajax outplayed us and we needed lucas magic, Liverpool destroyed PSG and Barcelona. I'm yet to see us perform and dominate consistently well in big big games and that is the next step. We aren't going to win things by scaping through games and getting lucky.

Not sure I entirely agree. We got past city, it doesn't matter how. We were outplayed by Ajax for less than half of the match. They were great for the first half at whl, and for 25 minutes in Amsterdam. The rest of the time it was very even.

All of this without Kane.

As for pool, well they didn't destroy Barca at all. They were brilliant st home against a team who thought that they had won already. They were also second best in the final and won by virtue of a ridiculous penalty.

We really need to be careful about how we judge the team at the moment, yes it isnt great in terms of performance, but we need to remember how far we have come!

 

[shelfmonkey]

The video I posted!

Oh yeah! Didn't realise you posted that.??

 

[shelfmonkey]

The Dele Alli thread seems to be locked for some reason so posting here as seems relevant to the style of play question as well. A good quick read on Dele’s change of position (and slight dip in form) last year. I’m personally excited to see what he can do with Ndombele et al behind him this year:

https://statsbomb.com/2019/08/dont-forget-dele/

Those Statsbomb graphics just look like a blancmange bomb to me!

 

[Lighty64]

I don’t understand how we haven’t been able to fix the slow starts. Poch talks about it a decent amount in his book so he’s been trying to solve it for over 3 years

the fast starts that where mainly the Leicester and Chelsea chasing seasons has changed because the way the op defends now. City and Liverpool seem to get round it with their pace and how the players seem to be able to play quick 1-2's, and use the width. as soon as we get wide we send it back centrally

 

[$hoguN]

For me, despite the obvious mitigations of players being tired because of the squad size and our respective World Cup success, the end of last season was a massive warning that we have lost our identity as a team.

Pochettino seems to be struggling to understand what has made us successful. The constant changing of formations, the playing of players out of position, the constant bad first half performance as we are set up poorly from a tactical standpoint are all part of the reason liverpool and Man City have made strides forward where we have regressed. Pochettino’s comments about quitting if we won the CL are also really negative, and I do wonder if it is all starting to unravel a little.

However with any luck we will get Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessgnon settled in. Work out what our new identity is, and sprinkle some magic in January. Pochettino can the. Shove these words back down my throat.

I really want to believe that the promised land of titles is just around the corner. Just can’t help but see the cracks at the moment. I’ll tell you all one thing though, this beats the shit out of being a fan in the late 90s early 00s where we were really shite

 

[hellava_tough]

For me, despite the obvious mitigations of players being tired because of the squad size and our respective World Cup success, the end of last season was a massive warning that we have lost our identity as a team.

Pochettino seems to be struggling to understand what has made us successful. The constant changing of formations, the playing of players out of position, the constant bad first half performance as we are set up poorly from a tactical standpoint are all part of the reason liverpool and Man City have made strides forward where we have regressed. Pochettino’s comments about quitting if we won the CL are also really negative, and I do wonder if it is all starting to unravel a little.

However with any luck we will get Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessgnon settled in. Work out what our new identity is, and sprinkle some magic in January. Pochettino can the. Shove these words back down my throat.

I really want to believe that the promised land of titles is just around the corner. Just can’t help but see the cracks at the moment. I’ll tell you all one thing though, this beats the shit out of being a fan in the late 90s early 00s where we were really shite

Like I posted a few pages back, the priority for us was to first be in a position to consistently challenge for titles, as opposed to win one-off titles.

We've got to the point now where we'll be spending a good amount of cash every season on fees and wages, and really strengthening the squad with very good players.

If we keep doing this, then over the next decade we'll be in excellent shape to win a league title or two.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

I must say this in every match thread- we broke into (and stayed in) the top 4 playing beautiful football under 4-2-3-1. Why Poch has deviated from this with 5-3-2’s and this awful diamond recently. We have improved the personnel to stick to what brought us success = 4-2-3-1 and it’s no surprise that each and every game we start shite (e.g. Villa) we end up reverting to our most suited formation and get a result. So frustrating that Poch doesn’t just stick to it from KO, as must confuse the players. Yes I know you need a plan b, but play your best setup from the start !!

 

[hellava_tough]

So Newcastle next; from the very best team in the league away, to arguably one of the worst at home.

Will be interesting to see how we set up and perform, especially in the first half.

Personally, I think it'll be more of the same with a slow start that builds to a crescendo in the second period. We'll take all 3pts in the end, but we'll have to huff and puff to do so.

 

[cliff jones]

Our results weren’t bad last year ... they aren’t this year ...

this is the playing style thread

 

[Ronwol196061]

this is the playing style thread

 

[Ronwol196061]

cliff jones said:


this is the playing style thread






I think our style of play and our efficacy when it comes to our quality with that is the key point for this season.We have a lot of quality about our team even without the extra creative player and Poch has got us where we are by playing a very tough style in defence with quick counters in attack but that took us only so far. If we do indeed switch to a more proactive attacking approach which I think is on the cards,we need to still keep the defence even stronger in a sense by making sure whoever is the DM be strong enough to hold the play while NDombele and co move forward. Im not sure that is Winks though. Id rather have Dier or Sissoko back there.
Going forward we need to make sure the two in the middle of the diamond have the passing quality to make sure it sticks. Ndombele is great at passing and Sissoko isn't so maybe a shift to either bring Sissoko back to DM and Winks in the middle with NDombele for a more conservative group or Lo Celso with NDombele for a more aggressive going forward 2.
Whatever it is a strong DM and the flow starting from 2 in the middle of the diamond and quickly whats needed.
We had a hard time with City so that's not a true indicator but we have to get it sorted soon moving the ball up quicker

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

agreed. That is why I say had we attacked more they likely would have scored. Like it or not City is a top team with offence second to none.

We had the best keeper in goal.
Not lucky, just skill from Hugo.
Lesser keeper like Ederson,Alison and the overated Degea would have killed the scoreline

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Not sure I entirely agree. We got past city, it doesn't matter how. We were outplayed by Ajax for less than half of the match. They were great for the first half at whl, and for 25 minutes in Amsterdam. The rest of the time it was very even.

All of this without Kane.

As for pool, well they didn't destroy Barca at all. They were brilliant st home against a team who thought that they had won already. They were also second best in the final and won by virtue of a ridiculous penalty.

We really need to be careful about how we judge the team at the moment, yes it isnt great in terms of performance, but we need to remember how far we have come!

Liverpool can outpress and outplay Man City.
Their one touch, fluid attacking football is absolutely magnificent and most of the time their possesion is barely above 60% because they dont fuck around with useless nonsense backpasses or pussy foot around the opposition defence with no purpose.