The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 16th May 2012

[Dan Ashcroft]

slightly concerning

Not really. He's always careful not to say anything that could be compromising to either himself or the situation in hand. He said quite clearly though when Hazard fell through.

 

[Spursidol]

me too but too soon for redmond he hasn't broke in to the brummie team yet

The reason Redmond didn't break though for Brum this year is that Townsend was on loan there - most of that time Redmond was on the bench. He subbed Townsend a couple of times but in the last few matches Brum played both Redmond and Townsend on different wings.

Conclusion from that is that Townsend is better/more experienced than Redmond.

Question is whether Redmond is worth buying (lots of people on SC said yes in January to Redmond being bought ignoring Townsend ) when you have Townsend......and coming up is Ryan Fredericks (played in Europa League as RB although he is a right winger who can play left) who is pretty much at the same stage, and maybe Alex Pritchard (attacking midfieild player - played on left of 3 in a 4231 in Next Gen series) and a few others. IMO the answer is probably no given that if we are producing equivalent players from the acadamy we should not be buying similar players (simple economics and all that).

 

[beats1]

The reason Redmond didn't break though for Brum this year is that Townsend was on loan there - most of that time Redmond was on the bench. He subbed Townsend a couple of times but in the last few matches Brum played both Redmond and Townsend on different wings.

Conclusion from that is that Townsend is better/more experienced than Redmond.

Question is whether Redmond is worth buying (lots of people on SC said yes in January to Redmond being bought ignoring Townsend ) when you have Townsend......and coming up is Ryan Fredericks (played in Europa League as RB although he is a right winger who can play left) who is pretty much at the same stage, and maybe Alex Pritchard (attacking midfieild player - played on ledt of 3 in a 4231 in Next Gen series) and a few others. IMO the answer is probably no given that if we are producing equivalent players from the acadamy we should not be buying similar players (simple economics and all that).

I agree but we seem to be shit at loaning out midfielders this season, I really hope Mason fulfils his potential

 

[Spursidol]

I agree but we seem to be shit at loaning out midfielders this season, I really hope Mason fulfils his potential

Fantastic if he does - a VDV backup.....and he was scoring 30 goals a season in that position behind Obika in that position.

Aside from his injury record, I do wonder if his loans in the Championship were always going to fall on stony ground as that position is almost NEVER played in the championship.

Interesting to see if he plays in pre-season for Spurs in the VDV position.

 

[ryantegan]

I just took a carrot to the Goats Gaff. Then he spoke.....

 

[Spursidol]

Cisse scored 36 in 95 for Metz and 37 in 65 for Freiburg. Remy has scored 26 in 68 for Nice, and 28 in 60 for Marseille.

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Thanks for the info. Can you tell me how many of Remy's goals were from penalties or other set pieces.

Reason is that whenever I ask about strikers (which is where everyone agrees Spurs have a big gap which they need to fill this summer) a lot of people say 'Remy is the man'. However they then say lets play Remy in place of lennon.

As far as I am concerned, I want a goalscoring striker who can play up top on his own.

Can anyone tell me, is Remy a top class striker who can play on top by his own - score and make (assist) goals ?

Can he be Ade's replacement ?

Or should we look for someone different as a striker - and then if we have time and money look for a Lennon replacement (and btw, Lennon is ok, not irreplcaeable but not an urgent replacement - strikers are an urgent replacement position for spurs ! )

 

[danielneeds]

Thanks for the info. Can you tell me how many of Remy's goals were from penalties or other set pieces.

Reason is that whenever I ask about strikers (which is where everyone agrees Spurs have a big gap which they need to fill this summer) a lot of people say 'Remy is the man'. However they then say lets play Remy in place of lennon.

As far as I am concerned, I want a goalscoring striker who can play up top on his own.

Can anyone tell me, is Remy a top class striker who can play on top by his own - score and make (assist) goals ?

Can he be Ade's replacement ?

Or should we look for someone different as a striker - and then if we have time and money look for a Lennon replacement (and btw, Lennon is ok, not irreplcaeable but not an urgent replacement - strikers are an urgent replacement position for spurs ! )

From what I have seen he is not a replacement for Adebayor, he is all about pace and direct running, he would struggle to hold the ball up in the PL at this stage, although he may be able to adapt his game.

 

[Spursidol]

From what I have seen he is not a replacement for Adebayor, he is all about pace and direct running, he would struggle to hold the ball up in the PL at this stage, although he may be able to adapt his game.

Thanks for the answer - so do Spurs want him as a striker ? And pay a reputed £20m (or maybe 20m euros) if he is not a sure start as a striker ? Or should we look for a more certain striker who can score goals and create assists ?

 

[hoodlum]

I just took a carrot to the Goats Gaff. Then he spoke.....

I'd be fine with Remy and Adebayor if that's the way it turns out. It's an improvement and, along with a strengthened back line, should in theory help our depth and GD. It's not as sexy as bringing in a Falcao or teh Zlatan, but we have to realize our limitations and work within them. Maybe after the stadium benefits kick in things will change a bit and we can bump up another notch in wages and fees.

 

[OmarsComing]

WHEN HARRY MET REMY

 

[Spursidol]

I'd be fine with Remy and Adebayor if that's the way it turns out. It's an improvement and, along with a strengthened back line, should in theory help our depth and GD. It's not as sexy as bringing in a Falcao or teh Zlatan, but we have to realize our limitations and work within them. Maybe after the stadium benefits kick in things will change a bit and we can bump up another notch in wages and fees.

So are you saying that if Ade is injured for 3 - 6 months that Remy could play a lone forward role ?

 

[ryantegan]

So are you saying that if Ade is injured for 3 - 6 months that Remy could play a lone forward role ?

Remy can play up top

 

[Berglad]

Thanks for the answer - so do Spurs want him as a striker ? And pay a reputed £20m (or maybe 20m euros) if he is not a sure start as a striker ? Or should we look for a more certain striker who can score goals and create assists ?

Giroud would be a similar price and would be the lone front-man that we probably need (in competition with Adebayor or similar). I suppose we are buying Remy as a "goals from the side" option with the benefit of him also being able to play as the backup striker, which he'd probably fit better than Defoe but not nearly as well as an Adebayor, Giroud, Llorente etc.

 

[Spursidol]

Remy can play up top

Thanks for that - Danielneeds (and indeed others) say 'From what I have seen he is not a replacement for Adebayor, he is all about pace and direct running, he would struggle to hold the ball up in the PL at this stage, although he may be able to adapt his game' which makes me think of Defoe - goalscoring but few assists or hold up play.

Can he play up top and create loads of assists as well as goals ?

Sorry for being persistent, but think we need to know why Remy is a major target - when so many people say his best position is right wing

 

[hoodlum]

So are you saying that if Ade is injured for 3 - 6 months that Remy could play a lone forward role ?

No. Spurs don't have the resources to have like for like cover at the most overpriced position in football. If your scenario happened we'd be fucked. As would every team in the PL, bar the two Manc sides.

 

[Spursidol]

Giroud would be a similar price and would be the lone front-man that we probably need (in competition with Adebayor or similar). I suppose we are buying Remy as a "goals from the side" option with the benefit of him also being able to play as the backup striker, which he'd probably fit better than Defoe but not nearly as well as an Adebayor, Giroud, Llorente etc.

Good answer - so a compromise.

Personally prefer to get 2 good strikers able to play up top (so we have cover for a long season) and leave the right wing as Lennon (back ups Townsend, Pienaar, etc) who are ok/pretty good even if not dogs b******cks. But that's a personal choice !

 

[Spursidol]

No. Spurs don't have the resources to have like for like cover at the most overpriced position in football. If your scenario happened we'd be fucked. As would every team in the PL, bar the two Manc sides.

I am not talking a top notch no 2 striker in addition to an Ade/other top notch striker - think of a Stephen Fletcher (same goals but more assists than Defoe) or similar back up striker.

So question maybe becomes whether Reny better than a Stephen Fletcher as a lone striker

 

[hoodlum]

I am not talking a top notch no 2 striker in addition to an Ade/other top notch striker - think of a Stephen Fletcher (same goals but more assists than Defoe) or similar back up striker.

So question maybe becomes whether Reny better than a Stephen Fletcher as a lone striker

Fletcher is a nice shout, but Remy covers two spots on the team allowing for more money to be allocated for other positions. It also allows for an extra guy to be on the bench on game days.

Jack of all trades aren't always a good philosophy to use at a position that is a source of goals, but I think in Remy's case it should be ok. He also works in a 433 and 4231.

In other words, he's not a faptastic signing unless he turns into Henry, but Spurs have a budget and the Falcao's of the world are above it. Now, if Defoe is sold I have no idea who the 3rd striker would be unless they view VDV as that guy.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

WHEN HARRY MET REMY

Uncanny. That is SO close to something i've written for the round-up

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Remy can play up top

Can. But isn't best there. Like Verts at LB I guess.