The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 17th June 2012

[moomin]

If we are no further forward by this time next week, that may lead us to suspect we are trying for Blanc. However, seeing how DL seems to love protracted negotiations, he might just be trying to bore our candidate into submission!

Blanc himself said he could sign for a new club team DURING the euros, so I don't think the delay in finding a replacement would mean we were definitely after him.

 

[shaqTHFC]

You think he'd go to Chelsea after how he saw them play in the CL semi-final?!

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to go to Chelsea too. He of all people knows how shit their football is and I'm not saying he'd come here but I'd imagine he'd prefer us as we play better football and imo we're the perfect club for him to prove himself to those who think he hasn't done so already because of the players he had at Barca. Also, he supposedly isn't motivated by money otherwise he'd probably be at Barca still or Chelsea because they must've approached him (why wait to appoint RDM?).

EDIT: Forgot to add that despite all this I do think he genuinely wants a break.

 

[etchedchaos]

A bit alarmed at some of the comments about the facility and how all you need is a bit of grass, or some mud with a tennis ball. The Training Facilities are far more than top-quality pitches, at the level we play at, it's far more about keeping players at an elite level of fitness and health. About being able to accommodate every single facet of their footballing needs.

It's also about having facilities large enough so that the youth teams get the same treatment and are taught in the philosophies of the first-team squad so that when it comes time to bed them in, they're already at one with the core philosophy of the first-team.

It's not a short-term investment, it was built with an eye on the future, something 'arry has never been associated with.

 

[Toela65]

Guardiola turned down Chelsea and Liverpool flat. There is absolutely no way he would go to Spurs. There is nothing uniquely different or special about Spurs that make them stand out from the other teams that have approached him that would make him cancel his sabbatical for them when he wouldn't for the other teams. Anything Spurs can offer him so can the other teams, plus a lot more money.

Sorry to bring some realism to all the wishful thinking but you're just going to disappoint yourselves. It was the same claptrap from the Liverpool fans a few weeks ago too.

He will go to utd or Chelsea next year I guarantee it.

 

[Gedson100]

A bit alarmed at some of the comments about the facility and how all you need is a bit of grass, or some mud with a tennis ball. The Training Facilities are far more than top-quality pitches, at the level we play at, it's far more about keeping players at an elite level of fitness and health. About being able to accommodate every single facet of their footballing needs.

It's also about having facilities large enough so that the youth teams get the same treatment and are taught in the philosophies of the first-team squad so that when it comes time to bed them in, they're already at one with the core philosophy of the first-team.

It's not a short-term investment, it was built with an eye on the future, something 'arry has never been associated with.

I quite agree, Mr Levy, sir...

 

[etchedchaos]

Guardiola turned down Chelsea and Liverpool flat. There is absolutely no way he would go to Spurs. There is nothing uniquely different or special about Spurs that make them stand out from the other teams that have approached him that would make him cancel his sabbatical for them when he wouldn't for the other teams. Anything Spurs can offer him so can the other teams, plus a lot more money.

Sorry to bring some realism to all the wishful thinking but your just going to disappoint yourselves. It was the same claptrap from the Liverpool fans a few weeks ago too.

he will go to utd or Chelsea next year I guarantee it.

What a load of tosh. Chelski are filled with over the hill dicks who have far too much power. Liverpool is just a complete mess, no self-respecting manager should take that job.

We however have a good core group of players, that play football the right way, we have a spanking new training ground with a long-term plan involving the youth. I would think we're the ideal place for someone like Pep.

 

[bilburger]

Guardiola turned down Chelsea and Liverpool flat. There is absolutely no way he would go to Spurs. There is nothing uniquely different or special about Spurs that make them stand out from the other teams that have approached him that would make him cancel his sabbatical for them when he wouldn't for the other teams. Anything Spurs can offer him so can the other teams, plus a lot more money.

Sorry to bring some realism to all the wishful thinking but your just going to disappoint yourselves. It was the same claptrap from the Liverpool fans a few weeks ago too.

He will go to utd or Chelsea next year I guarantee it.

I hate to agree with this... but, yeah, you're probably right.

 

[Roynie]

Guardiola turned down Chelsea and Liverpool flat. There is absolutely no way he would go to Spurs. There is nothing uniquely different or special about Spurs that make them stand out from the other teams that have approached him that would make him cancel his sabbatical for them when he wouldn't for the other teams. Anything Spurs can offer him so can the other teams, plus a lot more money.

Sorry to bring some realism to all the wishful thinking but your just going to disappoint yourselves. It was the same claptrap from the Liverpool fans a few weeks ago too.

He will go to utd or Chelsea next year I guarantee it.

Sorry, but I don't agree. Both Liverpool and Chelsea are having problems getting their stadia onto the drawing board and, despite their rich owners the stadium capacity will make an big imapct on how much they can spend on their team. That is, of course, assuming that the FFP rules actually work as they are supposed to. Spurs, at least, are showing a bit of joined up thinking by getting the training facilities in place, well almost, and then working on the stadium, youth development and the right manager.

 

[mil1lion]

I don't care about how reliable an ITK is you can never be 100% sure what they say will come off. Things can change so quickly that one piece of correct ITK can be outdated soon after being posted. I really do think a lot of hits and misses take part in the transfer window. Which is why those ITK who post less are more likely to have a better reputation. Someone like ValenciaYid for example will only commit when a transfer is truely complete.

 

[septicsac]

My few quid is on Moyes....sensible solution ala Redknapp, without the constant media interaction. Delay due to Everton asking for time to suss a replacement ? ? Has proved himself over the years on a restricted finance plan which would suit Levy down to the ground. Premiership experience is a huge bonus these days , which none of the rest really offer. Would not excite many, but apart from Pep, the rest offer all kinds of risks, but then so will any appointment.

 

[VincenzoCoccotti]

Guardiola turned down Chelsea and Liverpool flat. There is absolutely no way he would go to Spurs. There is nothing uniquely different or special about Spurs that make them stand out from the other teams that have approached him that would make him cancel his sabbatical for them when he wouldn't for the other teams. Anything Spurs can offer him so can the other teams, plus a lot more money.

Sorry to bring some realism to all the wishful thinking but your just going to disappoint yourselves. It was the same claptrap from the Liverpool fans a few weeks ago too.

He will go to utd or Chelsea next year I guarantee it.

Rubbish. Guardiola knows that if he is not 10 points clear at the top of the premiership by Xmas at Chelsea he will be sacked, he has seen Chelsea go through 8 managers in 9 years, why would he be interested in such a project?

 

[mil1lion]

My few quid is on Moyes....sensible solution ala Redknapp, without the constant media interaction. Delay due to Everton asking for time to suss a replacement ? ? Has proved himself over the years on a restricted finance plan which would suit Levy down to the ground. Premiership experience is a huge bonus these days , which none of the rest really offer. Would not excite many, but apart from Pep, the rest offer all kinds of risks, but then so will any appointment.

Sacking Redknapp for Moyes makes no sense. Especially when considering that Harry plays more attractive footballl.

 

[Toela65]

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to go to Chelsea too. He of all people knows how shit their football is and I'm not saying he'd come here but I'd imagine he'd prefer us as we play better football and imo we're the perfect club for him to prove himself to those who think he hasn't done so already because of the players he had at Barca. Also, he supposedly isn't motivated by money otherwise he'd probably be at Barca still or Chelsea because they must've approached him (why wait to appoint RDM?).

Chelsea are the current European Champions and will be incontention for it again this coming season too. They have the chance to be the first ever team to win the trophy in back to back years too. They also have unlimited finances for players and can attract the very best players in the world as signing Hazard demonstration. They are the only team in the long term who can actually compete with City (FFP will not be enforced and they know it. UEFA neeed them more than they need UEFA).

I hate the Chavs with all my being but you can't say that all that isn't attractive. If you do you are either a little insane or a liar. Lets get real.

Spurs (and said the same to LFC fans) aren't even in the champs league and at the moment its hard to see how the likes of them, Liverpool, Newcastle etc will break into the top 4 when you look at the resources the current top 4 have available and the signings that have already been made by them this early in the transfer window. The weakest link is Arsenal but they have finally shown the intention to spend big and well so far and if this continues and they keep RVP they will defo stay in the top 4 imo.

This next Manager appointment could make or break Spurs. They need to find someone who can be shrewd and very clever and can make the best of what resources they have and get the very best possible out of their players as this is the only way to compete with and beat clubs who have more money and more appeal. Thats how Benitez was able to keep Liverpool in competition with the likes of Utd and Chavs when he had no right to given the difference in money available for transfers and wages between those 3 clubs. Spurs need a Mnager like that, with those abilities to get that extra 10% out of everyone and find the best players before they are on the world stage.

 

[Toela65]

Rubbish. Guardiola knows that if he is not 10 points clear at the top of the premiership by Xmas at Chelsea he will be sacked, he has seen Chelsea go through 8 managers in 9 years, why would he be interested in such a project?

For the same reason Ancelotti, Scoalri, Mourinho, AVB and RDM were. They are one of the few teams geniunely able to compete at the top of the table with City and Utd and have genuine aspirations of winning the Champions League.

No top manager would care about Chavs record of sacked Managers as if they are worth their salt they will have no doubt in their ability to suceed, therefore will have no worries of failing and getting the sack.

Real madrid have a much worse record for sacking Managers but it doesn't stop the like of Mourinho and other top top Managers continually taking that job.

I know Chavs are a vile club but lets not be revisionist and make out their not one of the most attractive clubs in Football to manage.

 

[VincenzoCoccotti]

For the same reason Ancelotti, Scoalri, Mourinho, AVB and RDM were. They are one of the few teams geniunely able to compete at the top of the table with City and Utd and have genuine aspirations of winning the Champions League.

No top manager would care about Chavs record of sacked Managers as if they are worth their salt they will have no doubt in their ability to suceed, therefore will have no worries of failing and getting the sack.

Real madrid have a much worse record for sacking Managers but it doesn't stop the like of Mourinho and other top top Managers continually taking that job.

I know Chavs are a vile club but lets not be revisionist and make out their not one of the most attractive clubs in Football to manage.

They are one argument with Putin away from extinction and going back to being low table cannon fodder again, the team is run by a gangster and mafia boss, he gets jailed or assassinated then they lose everything so they are an empire built on sand

They are a small club still, look how few people they took to FA Cup final and the semi against us, they didn't even sell out the Barcelona home game in the CL, they don't even own their own stadium and can't find a location to get another one.

They lucked into a CL by parking the bus twice, they have bought a guy who while talented may not even cut it in the premiership and they have a lot of ageing has beens to replace

Also you grossly over rate them, how many would get in our team? Cech, Cole, Hazard, Sturridge and that's it

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Guardiola turned down Chelsea and Liverpool flat. There is absolutely no way he would go to Spurs. There is nothing uniquely different or special about Spurs that make them stand out from the other teams that have approached him that would make him cancel his sabbatical for them when he wouldn't for the other teams. Anything Spurs can offer him so can the other teams, plus a lot more money.

Sorry to bring some realism to all the wishful thinking but you're just going to disappoint yourselves. It was the same claptrap from the Liverpool fans a few weeks ago too.

He will go to utd or Chelsea next year I guarantee it.

It's not that I agree with everything you say here-it's that I agree that sometimes we get carried away with the mind-reading. I like the bit in bold.

People think Pep is some kind of ascetic, yeah? Barcelona are as disgusting as anyone else. If they want to unsettle a transfer target using the media, they will. If they want to pay obscene wages, they will. If they want to pay enormous transfer fees, they will.

EDIT: Forgot to add that despite all this I do think he genuinely wants a break.

Does he need a break because Mourinho has worn him down?

 

[SpurSince57]

Is that like Whickers World?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

A bit alarmed at some of the comments about the facility and how all you need is a bit of grass, or some mud with a tennis ball. The Training Facilities are far more than top-quality pitches, at the level we play at, it's far more about keeping players at an elite level of fitness and health. About being able to accommodate every single facet of their footballing needs.

It's also about having facilities large enough so that the youth teams get the same treatment and are taught in the philosophies of the first-team squad so that when it comes time to bed them in, they're already at one with the core philosophy of the first-team.

It's not a short-term investment, it was built with an eye on the future, something 'arry has never been associated with.

This is about people teaching people.

Players don't learn core philosophy from a heated toilet seat. We all get the the appeal of nice facilities, but lets not pretend it's them that will make this club achieve. It isn't, it's the quality of people we employ to instil the core philosophy.

I am not knocking the club for spending on state of the art facilities, I applaud it. But it is meaningless unless they employ the right people. Hopefully that is what they are doing as we speak.

 

[VincenzoCoccotti]

For the same reason Ancelotti, Scoalri, Mourinho, AVB and RDM were. They are one of the few teams geniunely able to compete at the top of the table with City and Utd and have genuine aspirations of winning the Champions League.

No top manager would care about Chavs record of sacked Managers as if they are worth their salt they will have no doubt in their ability to suceed, therefore will have no worries of failing and getting the sack.

Real madrid have a much worse record for sacking Managers but it doesn't stop the like of Mourinho and other top top Managers continually taking that job.

I know Chavs are a vile club but lets not be revisionist and make out their not one of the most attractive clubs in Football to manage.

And why do you think a 2 month intensive search for a manager resulted in them choosing a man who was sacked from WBA as their next manager? is it because he is the best manager in Europe because he lucked into a CL? Hell no it is because no self respecting manager will touch them with a barge pole now, no self respecting manager will go to a club where the chairman not only chooses who to buy but tells the manager who to play too not to mention a chairman that will sack you before too long .

Comparing Real with Chelsea is laughable, Real are the most famous team in the workd, rich in tradition and money, a global brand, a great notch on a cv, 120,000 passionate fans watching every home game

Chelsea are a mickey mouse club with no history or tradition bankrolled by a mafia boss who can't even sell out a CL semi final or take enough fans to Wembley

Chelsea are the Michael Carroll of football, uncouth chav who lucked into some money

 

[Berglad]

Jacob on COYS re: Vertonghen:

All done pretty much. Now awaiting sign off from one of the Ajax directors. Board room is a bit of a mess over there atm. Should be fine though