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HappySpur

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"Sloven #1" - anovic + "Italian superstar from WC94" - gio + "letter on Superman's chest"
 

SpurSince57

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If you don't want me disagreeing with your post then stop posting bullshit.

And if you aren't mature enough to handle the new reputation system like a adult then I suggest your don't post at all.

I tried to give you a grow-the-fuck-up rating but can't find it. So you'll have to settle for my 1st ever dumb rating I have given. And no, it's not because hybridsoldier gave you one either.

Spurs' best-ever points-per-game

1960-61: 2.30 (Nicholson)
1950-51: 2.02 (Rowe)
1966-67: 1.90 (Nicholson)
1956-57: 1.86 (Anderson)
1962-63: 1.86 (Nicholson)
2009-10: 1.84 (Redknapp)
1984-85: 1.83 (Shreeves)
2011-12: 1.82 (Redknapp)

Is this what you're 'disagreeing' with? (You'll note, I hope, that I've emboldened Harry's best two seasons to make things a tiny bit clearer.) Then I suggest that instead of labelling it 'bullshit' you do just a little work to try and disprove it. I own that it's possible a season has escaped me, but why don't you check for omissions? And you also, rather comically, 'disagreed' with a question—to wit, can you remember the last time our league form has been as good as it has over the past seven seasons (or at least, the ones in ewhich Jol and Redknapp have been in charge). Now, I'm not really sure how one can disagree with a question; perhaps you can elucidate? Better still, perhaps you could try and answer it.

Can you, Punky?

Go on, make my day.
 

Spirit58

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Spurs' best-ever points-per-game

1960-61: 2.30 (Nicholson)
1950-51: 2.02 (Rowe)
1966-67: 1.90 (Nicholson)
1956-57: 1.86 (Anderson)
1962-63: 1.86 (Nicholson)
2009-10: 1.84 (Redknapp)
1984-85: 1.83 (Shreeves)
2011-12: 1.82 (Redknapp)
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When you consider that during the seasons when we were managed by Nicholson, Rowe and Anderson that teams only got 2pts for a win and one for a draw compared to the modern system of 3pts for a win it just goes to show what a remarkable manager Bill Nicholson was :D

(Only Joking, I realise that they're worked out on an average of 3 per win)
 

Spurger King

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Yeah Harry's done a better job than the shower of shit we've had in charge over the last 20 years. Definitely a reason to end any ambitions of continuing to improve, or get a manager that will potentially be here for more than another year. Heck..they might even have the audacity to believe in the players and not routinely dismiss the expectations of the fans. We certainly wouldn't want that now would we?
 

ItsBoris

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jbstarr14

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"Sloven #1" - anovic + "Italian superstar from WC94" - gio + "letter on Superman's chest"
Brilliant.
Been thinking for a while that we need something to represent this.
Anyone know the HTML for a couple of "smileys" having their heads banged together and/or being sent to their rooms?
 

HappySpur

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Brilliant.
Been thinking for a while that we need something to represent this.
Anyone know the HTML for a couple of "smileys" having their heads banged together and/or being sent to their rooms?

Smiley_Tiny_Duo_Arguing.gif


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/GHGecko/ANI_GIFs/TINYs/Smiley_Tiny_Duo_Arguing.gif
 

dn013

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Is it wrong that my first reaction to Levy's old dear croking was to wonder how much this would hamper the Vertonghen signing ?

No and yes.

On the one hand you don't really care about his mother, you really care about Spurs; so of course you would think about Spurs straight away. That's the not wrong bit.

The wrong bit is coming on here and telling us all and then referring to his mum's death as "old dear croking." Come on mate show a little respect, I am by no means Mr Politically Correct but honestly...
 

jbstarr14

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Spurs' best-ever points-per-game

1960-61: 2.30 (Nicholson)
1950-51: 2.02 (Rowe)
1966-67: 1.90 (Nicholson)
1956-57: 1.86 (Anderson)
1962-63: 1.86 (Nicholson)
2009-10: 1.84 (Redknapp)
1984-85: 1.83 (Shreeves)
2011-12: 1.82 (Redknapp)

Is this what you're 'disagreeing' with? (You'll note, I hope, that I've emboldened Harry's best two seasons to make things a tiny bit clearer.) Then I suggest that instead of labelling it 'bullshit' you do just a little work to try and disprove it. I own that it's possible a season has escaped me, but why don't you check for omissions? And you also, rather comically, 'disagreed' with a question—to wit, can you remember the last time our league form has been as good as it has over the past seven seasons (or at least, the ones in ewhich Jol and Redknapp have been in charge). Now, I'm not really sure how one can disagree with a question; perhaps you can elucidate? Better still, perhaps you could try and answer it.

Can you, Punky?

Go on, make my day.

This is in all honesty a well argued point.

However -

The fact that Harry has exceeded most of our expectations (well, all of mine if truth be told) does not mean that he is the man to take us any further. I have stated before that it is my belief that H is a choker, unable to handle the pressures of expectation, he now faces. He has been little more than a firefighter for years now, and the type of lip-service he pays players in order to get that little bit more out of them has a lmited shelf life.

His reputation is far more important to him than anything else, and this seems to be particularly debilitating when it comes to taking any risks. He changes things only when his hand is forced, and takes the credit when things happen to work out for him - see his switchbacking opinion of Gareth Bale for a case in point.

His perpetual distancing of himself from the club when things aren't going well - "they" - only to attempt to ingratiate himself when things improve - "we" - is nothing short of embarrassing, not to mention infuriating. There is absolutely no sense of either empathy nor sympathy with us, the fans.

He demonstrates no sense of accountability - even SAF admits to making mistakes - no sense of integrity - see Pompey/Saints or the England fiasco for examples of this - and no sense of dignity - various examples of propaganda disseminated via his mouth-pieces in the press will demonstrate this.

Finally, and most galling to me personally, is the fact that Harry not only represents the club, for which he is paid extremely well, but he also represents us - the fans who love the club and everything it stands for. I simply do not want him representing me on any level. I am proud of every single player who gives their all for the club. I cannot feel the same way about the man at the helm right now, because he does not feel the same way about me, or indeed, any of us.

I don't have to like someone to respect them, but I sure as hell have to respect them before I can like them. When it comes to Harry, I'm afraid, neither applies.
 

WhiteHart4Ever

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Spurs' best-ever points-per-game

1960-61: 2.30 (Nicholson)
1950-51: 2.02 (Rowe)
1966-67: 1.90 (Nicholson)
1956-57: 1.86 (Anderson)
1962-63: 1.86 (Nicholson)
2009-10: 1.84 (Redknapp)
1984-85: 1.83 (Shreeves)
2011-12: 1.82 (Redknapp)

Is this what you're 'disagreeing' with? (You'll note, I hope, that I've emboldened Harry's best two seasons to make things a tiny bit clearer.) Then I suggest that instead of labelling it 'bullshit' you do just a little work to try and disprove it. I own that it's possible a season has escaped me, but why don't you check for omissions? And you also, rather comically, 'disagreed' with a question—to wit, can you remember the last time our league form has been as good as it has over the past seven seasons (or at least, the ones in ewhich Jol and Redknapp have been in charge). Now, I'm not really sure how one can disagree with a question; perhaps you can elucidate? Better still, perhaps you could try and answer it.

Can you, Punky?

Go on, make my day.

What's a bit of an issue with the Harry debate is that our opponents recognize but don't appreciate this fact - that both in terms of performances and points Harry's team has done very well and much better than we could expect before his appointment; remember, we were in a bad situation indeed having performed poorly consistently since the Carling Cup victory when he took over. What he has done since, in terms of getting the points, two FA Cup Semis and a CL Quarterfinal is excellent work. We've also seen the best we've seen of players like Luka, Lennon and Kaboul, and he's brought through youngsters like Bale and Walker that are now top players. This season he injected important bite and experience from Friedel, Parker and Ade and it very nearly took us to the next level. What happened in the closing third of the season was a huge let-down, though, was a huge let-down, but that aside in footballing terms he's hardly put a foot wrong.

Now the Harry-out brigade don't appreciate this - they know it, but they feel that Harry's faults - lack of rotation and use of the squad, inability to make the most out of set pieces - combined with everything that happened with the England job is enough to want him out, and/or that any other geezer can do what he's done with a squad as talented as ours.

This is why the argument of points-per-game won't stick with them. For me, I recognize his faults and I've got some issues with him, but you quite simply have to stick with a manager with Harry's results. Look at the stats, ffs, they don't bloody lie and they tell us we'd do extremely well to find someone that can outperform him - and we quite simply cannot let him go. Combine this with the fact that continuity is key to most great teams and you cannot change a formula that is working so well.
 

spud

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Sorry i am german, I don' know it better sometimes...
No need to apologise, carpediem991; your english is excellent, and far better than any attempt that I have ever made at a foreign language. It is I who should apologise, and I do.
 
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