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Asked my guy if there was any truth to the Goats rumours and he hasn't heard anything. about them falling out. A couple of things he did say though was that most managers get frustrated at this time of year because they know that what happens now(or indeed doesn't) could effectively get them sacked in a few months time.

On Levy.

He just laughed and said flip a coin. Some agents/chairmen hate dealing with him, while others relish the challenge, and know squeezing every last penny out of the deal is an achievement. He said believe it or not Levy is a very straight shooter, he may move the goal posts, but he will make it very very clear he is doing so and why. He then went on to tell me a story about Doug Ellis telling a player he had gotten a bid from United and it had been accepted, and did he want to go. Of course was the answer so he was told to get his stuff and he would be flying out to Spain where United were having a pre season training camp. For the next hour he has been giving it large in the dressing room, " see ya later lads I'm off to conquer the world" etc. Gone home told all the family they were moving up north, packed his stuff and jumped on the plane to Spain. Where he was met at the airport by representatives of Oxford United.
Any way he has got straight on the phone to Deadly, and Doug has told him quite clearly his future was not at Villa and Oxford were offering the most money, so that's where he was going.

Mate of mine was a Villa fan and, during the Doug Ellis era, said he wouldn't believe any rumours about Villa signing someone until he saw them holding up the shirt. Even then, he wouldn't believe it unless there was actual film of the signing as he didn't trust deadly Doug not to buy a cut out of a player just to sell season tickets.

On the Levy thing, last Tuesday, I quoted a Blue Moon post in the Walker thread about Levy going back on a deal with Manchester City and boosting Walker's price as soon as they released their two right backs. Cue much hilarity, Levy gifs, ROFLMAO emojis and the rest. This weekend, we've had some ITK that Levy likes to fuck opposition chairman about on deals and it's all bad Levy, naughty Daniel, FFS, what is he like, sack him now, the conniving bastard etc...

He is what he is. He's done some great stuff for us. He's caused us some problems. But can we at least be consistent on this? If you've shagged a bird in the nightclub bogs on the Friday night, you don't take the moral high ground if you catch her giving another bloke a blowy behind the bins on the Saturday.

Same goes for Levy. If you think his approach is a good thing for Spurs, then accept the fact that, occasionally, it will blow up in our faces and we'll miss out somewhere along the line. If you think it's a bad thing for Spurs, then that's fair enough, but the next time Lloris pulls off a worldie and you ask yourself how on earth we got him so cheap, do realise that you've just bought yourself a one-way ticket to hypocrisy corner.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Mate of mine was a Villa fan and, during the Doug Ellis era, said he wouldn't believe any rumours about Villa signing someone until he saw them holding up the shirt. Even then, he wouldn't believe it unless there was actual film of the signing as he didn't trust deadly Doug not to buy a cut out of a player just to sell season tickets.

On the Levy thing, last Tuesday, I quoted a Blue Moon post in the Walker thread about Levy going back on a deal with Manchester City and boosting Walker's price as soon as they released their two right backs. Cue much hilarity, Levy gifs, ROFLMAO emojis and the rest. This weekend, we've had some ITK that Levy likes to fuck opposition chairman about on deals and it's all bad Levy, naughty Daniel, FFS, what is he like, sack him now, the conniving bastard etc...

He is what he is. He's done some great stuff for us. He's caused us some problems. But can we at least be consistent on this? If you've shagged a bird in the nightclub bogs on the Friday night, you don't take the moral high ground if you catch her giving another bloke a blowy behind the bins on the Saturday.

Same goes for Levy. If you think his approach is a good thing for Spurs, then accept the fact that, occasionally, it will blow up in our faces and we'll miss out somewhere along the line. If you think it's a bad thing for Spurs, then that's fair enough, but the next time Lloris pulls off a worldie and you ask yourself how on earth we got him so cheap, do realise that you've just bought yourself a one-way ticket to hypocrisy corner.
And the moral is: don't go to a nightclub looking for a future spouse
 

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The Richardsons lost control of the club to Irvine scholar because they overstreached themselves when building the new west stand as a result among other things was rumoured to be writing to the wives of dead shareholders to buy the shares of the dead husband hoping that the women would have no interest in football ;sell him their shares.
We all know that the spurs supporting scholar then floated the club on the stock exchange for £22 mllion a huge amount at the time.
Thru his mismanagement he sold the training ground the sold all the property that the club owned sold or was the cause of sale of hoddle waddle gough Roberts allen and others plus he lost £22million from stock sales plus there was£9millon debt all this from a thru and thru spurs supporter and if allan sugar had not have came along spurs would be like the Dodo ...extinct
If anybody is upset by the Levy regime then I believe they are younger supporters who have no knowledge of these events and they can be allowed some leeway but if of an age where they remember these events then they are idiots dipsticks fools chumps
wallies an stupid.
I say thank you mr levy long may you reign and the more the club will prosper
By the way the said mr scholar never lost a penny of his own money whilst bringing Tottenham to the edge of extinction
 

chinaman

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The Richardsons lost control of the club to Irvine scholar because they overstreached themselves when building the new west stand as a result among other things was rumoured to be writing to the wives of dead shareholders to buy the shares of the dead husband hoping that the women would have no interest in football ;sell him their shares.
We all know that the spurs supporting scholar then floated the club on the stock exchange for £22 mllion a huge amount at the time.
Thru his mismanagement he sold the training ground the sold all the property that the club owned sold or was the cause of sale of hoddle waddle gough Roberts allen and others plus he lost £22million from stock sales plus there was£9millon debt all this from a thru and thru spurs supporter and if allan sugar had not have came along spurs would be like the Dodo ...extinct
If anybody is upset by the Levy regime then I believe they are younger supporters who have no knowledge of these events and they can be allowed some leeway but if of an age where they remember these events then they are idiots dipsticks fools chumps
wallies an stupid.
I say thank you mr levy long may you reign and the more the club will prosper
By the way the said mr scholar never lost a penny of his own money whilst bringing Tottenham to the edge of extinction


A 5-star rating if there's such.
 

shelfboy68

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The Richardsons lost control of the club to Irvine scholar because they overstreached themselves when building the new west stand as a result among other things was rumoured to be writing to the wives of dead shareholders to buy the shares of the dead husband hoping that the women would have no interest in football ;sell him their shares.
We all know that the spurs supporting scholar then floated the club on the stock exchange for £22 mllion a huge amount at the time.
Thru his mismanagement he sold the training ground the sold all the property that the club owned sold or was the cause of sale of hoddle waddle gough Roberts allen and others plus he lost £22million from stock sales plus there was£9millon debt all this from a thru and thru spurs supporter and if allan sugar had not have came along spurs would be like the Dodo ...extinct
If anybody is upset by the Levy regime then I believe they are younger supporters who have no knowledge of these events and they can be allowed some leeway but if of an age where they remember these events then they are idiots dipsticks fools chumps
wallies an stupid.
I say thank you mr levy long may you reign and the more the club will prosper
By the way the said mr scholar never lost a penny of his own money whilst bringing Tottenham to the edge of extinction
Excellent post I presume you are ghost writing Mr levys biography entitled " your money is my money".:happy:
 

arunspurs

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10 days to fly out for US preseason tour - Club not even close first signing...

Don't get me wrong - I am all for the current transfer policy & believe thats the only we can sustain and pay off upcoming 500m loan debt.

But now, I am getting concerned with lack of activities on transfer front. There are glaring areas where we need improvement. We need quality players in bench, who would also push first teamers. More importantly who ever we bring in, needs time to settle & bed in. At times, we bring in players too late & they take 4 to 5 games to settle. We got Toby & Wanyama early on - they started the season in great form.

Also, start of new season, club has to give players & the fans reasons to look forward to season. New players coming in always pushes the current squad and fans get involved more in preseason and there is positive energy.

There is now a real chance, we won't sign anyone with reasonable quality before US tour. I really hope, club hierarchy sees some sense and push for the signings.
 

thekneaf

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Chelsea have 2 in the pipe line, but in reality they just lost their prime target and the only new player on the books is a shithouse reserve goaly. They are also going on tour without a striker they actually want at the club, at the club.

Transfers are complicated.
 

shelfboy68

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10 days to fly out for US preseason tour - Club not even close first signing...

Don't get me wrong - I am all for the current transfer policy & believe thats the only we can sustain and pay off upcoming 500m loan debt.

But now, I am getting concerned with lack of activities on transfer front. There are glaring areas where we need improvement. We need quality players in bench, who would also push first teamers. More importantly who ever we bring in, needs time to settle & bed in. At times, we bring in players too late & they take 4 to 5 games to settle. We got Toby & Wanyama early on - they started the season in great form.

Also, start of new season, club has to give players & the fans reasons to look forward to season. New players coming in always pushes the current squad and fans get involved more in preseason and there is positive energy.

There is now a real chance, we won't sign anyone with reasonable quality before US tour. I really hope, club hierarchy sees some sense and push for the signings.

Really wouldn't worry about it just set your expectation level to low or even lower, then whoever we get will be treated with great triumph.
So in essence we could sign ruel fox and Chris Armstrong if we can agree wages then let the fanfare begin, it's how I get through our tedious way of working(y)
 

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Re Hartyids ITK, are we assuming the player in Northan Italy is Suso?

Edit: and I'm surprised it took so long for Bale to get poopoo'd knew it was inevitable but shame. I wonder why a few ITk's heard it was a possibility.
 
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sloth

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Yes really. Established ITK dismisses info as bollocks because its not what he heard. Saying "I haven't heard that" would be different, but lets be honest, dragon is the same as any other ITK in that they don't hear everything and they aren't right about everything.

If The Goat posts something, it's because we know who the source is, we've done our best to verify it and a lot goes on behind the scenes to check stuff out in as far as we can. So there's no anonymous sources and (exceptional circumstances not withstanding) The Goat does not just post info from people who we can't check out.

I think we all fully appreciate you do your best to corroborate your sources.

Sometimes sources will disagree and this can be for a number of reasons, none of which are worth speculating about.

Pick your favourites, but above all take what is shared with a pinch of salt.
 

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The Richardsons lost control of the club to Irvine scholar because they overstreached themselves when building the new west stand as a result among other things was rumoured to be writing to the wives of dead shareholders to buy the shares of the dead husband hoping that the women would have no interest in football ;sell him their shares.
We all know that the spurs supporting scholar then floated the club on the stock exchange for £22 mllion a huge amount at the time.
Thru his mismanagement he sold the training ground the sold all the property that the club owned sold or was the cause of sale of hoddle waddle gough Roberts allen and others plus he lost £22million from stock sales plus there was£9millon debt all this from a thru and thru spurs supporter and if allan sugar had not have came along spurs would be like the Dodo ...extinct
If anybody is upset by the Levy regime then I believe they are younger supporters who have no knowledge of these events and they can be allowed some leeway but if of an age where they remember these events then they are idiots dipsticks fools chumps
wallies an stupid.
I say thank you mr levy long may you reign and the more the club will prosper
By the way the said mr scholar never lost a penny of his own money whilst bringing Tottenham to the edge of extinction
 

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The Richardsons lost control of the club to Irvine scholar because they overstreached themselves when building the new west stand as a result among other things was rumoured to be writing to the wives of dead shareholders to buy the shares of the dead husband hoping that the women would have no interest in football ;sell him their shares.
We all know that the spurs supporting scholar then floated the club on the stock exchange for £22 mllion a huge amount at the time.
Thru his mismanagement he sold the training ground the sold all the property that the club owned sold or was the cause of sale of hoddle waddle gough Roberts allen and others plus he lost £22million from stock sales plus there was£9millon debt all this from a thru and thru spurs supporter and if allan sugar had not have came along spurs would be like the Dodo ...extinct
If anybody is upset by the Levy regime then I believe they are younger supporters who have no knowledge of these events and they can be allowed some leeway but if of an age where they remember these events then they are idiots dipsticks fools chumps
wallies an stupid.
I say thank you mr levy long may you reign and the more the club will prosper
By the way the said mr scholar never lost a penny of his own money whilst bringing Tottenham to the edge of extinction
Scholar borrowed 1m from Robert maxwell and then lent same to spurs ar a slightly higher rate of interest which enabled the club to buy Lineker from Barcelona and a number CEO little earner for Irvng
 
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No ones trying to discredit anyone, where have I said that the information is flawed or invalid, or indeed untrue? I haven't. All I offered was my interpretation of the language of the post. Nothing more nothing less. This wasn't some massive criticism of anyone sharing any information, any more than you calling out Grey Fox on the Nike thing was a criticism of them.

Any information shared is always going to come through the prism of someone's interpretation of what they've been told.

You're placing an assumption onto my words, just as everybody places their own assumption and bias on the information shared by the itks. That's the nature of communication.

Anyway, I suggest we leave it at that.
Ah I see. So when you said the ITK sounded like it came from someone who was just "bitter, and with a very, very obvious agenda", you were just being equivocal. Right, that's where I got confused, and assumed you meant the ITK was bitter and just had a very, very obvious (anti-Levy) agenda. I'm just glad you were vague enough for me to misinterpret your words.
All I'm suggesting, and I hope this is unequivocal, is that people can choose to shoot down the message, without ever having to shoot the messager. That's the nature of more productive communication; the type that promotes respectful debate, without the type of ridicule or sneering that has the potential to push our ITKs away.
 

EJWTartanSpur

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The Richardsons lost control of the club to Irvine scholar because they overstreached themselves when building the new west stand as a result among other things was rumoured to be writing to the wives of dead shareholders to buy the shares of the dead husband hoping that the women would have no interest in football ;sell him their shares.
We all know that the spurs supporting scholar then floated the club on the stock exchange for £22 mllion a huge amount at the time.
Thru his mismanagement he sold the training ground the sold all the property that the club owned sold or was the cause of sale of hoddle waddle gough Roberts allen and others plus he lost £22million from stock sales plus there was£9millon debt all this from a thru and thru spurs supporter and if allan sugar had not have came along spurs would be like the Dodo ...extinct
If anybody is upset by the Levy regime then I believe they are younger supporters who have no knowledge of these events and they can be allowed some leeway but if of an age where they remember these events then they are idiots dipsticks fools chumps
wallies an stupid.
I say thank you mr levy long may you reign and the more the club will prosper
By the way the said mr scholar never lost a penny of his own money whilst bringing Tottenham to the edge of extinction

Exactly this. I posted yesterday about a story where a Rossi deal was all agreed then the next day Levy tried to change terms and the whole thing blew up

On the other hand he sells Tainio, Chimbonda and Malbranque to Sunderland for 22m, or buys Mido who proceeds to not play at all and do nothing but get fat, then sells him at profit to Middlesbrough.
 

taidgh

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Mate of mine was a Villa fan and, during the Doug Ellis era, said he wouldn't believe any rumours about Villa signing someone until he saw them holding up the shirt. Even then, he wouldn't believe it unless there was actual film of the signing as he didn't trust deadly Doug not to buy a cut out of a player just to sell season tickets.

On the Levy thing, last Tuesday, I quoted a Blue Moon post in the Walker thread about Levy going back on a deal with Manchester City and boosting Walker's price as soon as they released their two right backs. Cue much hilarity, Levy gifs, ROFLMAO emojis and the rest. This weekend, we've had some ITK that Levy likes to fuck opposition chairman about on deals and it's all bad Levy, naughty Daniel, FFS, what is he like, sack him now, the conniving bastard etc...

He is what he is. He's done some great stuff for us. He's caused us some problems. But can we at least be consistent on this? If you've shagged a bird in the nightclub bogs on the Friday night, you don't take the moral high ground if you catch her giving another bloke a blowy behind the bins on the Saturday.

Same goes for Levy. If you think his approach is a good thing for Spurs, then accept the fact that, occasionally, it will blow up in our faces and we'll miss out somewhere along the line. If you think it's a bad thing for Spurs, then that's fair enough, but the next time Lloris pulls off a worldie and you ask yourself how on earth we got him so cheap, do realise that you've just bought yourself a one-way ticket to hypocrisy corner.
Yes, yes, well reasoned. So..where exactly is this nightclub you mentioned?
 

Led's Zeppelin

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Not in all things in all jurisdictions. That is, they may not be enforceable. Contracts re real property, contracts that cannot be performed in a year, etc. see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_frauds

But you do understand that a contract of a complex nature, or otherwise incapable of being enforced without the prior existence of a written and signed document is therefore incapable of being either enforced or broken before completion. Therefore anyone relying on what they believe to be the terms of the agreement on the basis of a non-binding conversation is at fault if they rely on it.


Between friends you may be prepared to take that risk. Between negotiating parties it is by definition unprofessional to do so. My word is my bond can only be effective effective when it is capable of fulfilment; when there are detailed material terms to be negotiated, it cannot apply and is professionally naive to attempt to do so. And therefore naive to accuse a party of breaking such an agreement.

Modern transfers are almost impossible to be agreed "in principle", such is the importance and complexity of the detail. But they can still go ahead. Which is why some ITK may be accurate and totally in good faith, but still hard to rely on. You wouldn't expect most footballers to understand all this, hence many false accusations. Agents and managers ought to know better but often don't.
 
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