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1.Ali Z "...unlike last summer Poch and Baldini will not look to solve all our requirements at once and it will be a gradual process".

2. Lamela, Eriksen + whoever is playing behind them will be distributing to them with haste.

Lamela and Eriksen are included among those attackers, it's the individual behind them to get it to them he's undoubtedly referring to. Part of Eriksen's problem in the middle is he had no consistent supply of passes in transition to promote him receiving the ball in space. Was far too easy for the quality sides to entirely remove him from the game because all they had to do was keep our two CM's passing horizontally.

The fact that Poch is looking for a LW suggest that he's going to play our most creative player - Eriksen - in central midfield.

We also have Holtby whose agent said today that he's staying.

However, I do think Holtby here may possibly be able to do the job. But there are some very expensive investments he'd be playing over for first choice, and players who would undoubtedly be quick to complain and soon after demand a move under such circumstances (Paulinho and Dembele, assuming both are still at Spurs come September - I do think one will go).
 
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Either Poch doesn't rate Chadli, or doesn't see him as a left wing/forward.
 

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Personally don't get the need for another "LWF" given we already have Chadli, would much rather we get in a different option to keep opposing managers on their toes. Granted, "LWF" could mean anything, but from the targets we seem to have been linked with it does seem as though Poch wants to continue his 2nd striker setup.
I do to an extent especially if that wide forward could play upfront or has the potential to be turned into a striker ( Depay ), really think we should streamline the squad & have players that can play multiple positions would help improve players confidence overall, bcoz as is the uncertainty of players game-time has really effected players confidence & makes it hard for them to perform when they do get selected, for me 19/20 senior players with 5 or 6 young emerging players chomping at the bit for a chance in the first team is better for morale within the squad.
 

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I do to an extent especially if that wide forward could play upfront or has the potential to be turned into a striker ( Depay ), really think we should streamline the squad & have players that can play multiple positions would help improve players confidence overall, bcoz as is the uncertainty of players game-time has really effected players confidence & makes it hard for them to perform when they do get selected, for me 19/20 senior players with 5 or 6 young emerging players chomping at the bit for a chance in the first team is better for morale within the squad.

I agree with you, but I don't think you quite get what I'm saying.

Chadli is the left wide-forward type, who also has previous experience at striker. What I personally would prefer, is another left winger addition who is very different from that. Gives us multiple options at the same position for Poch to work with, who used quite a bit of fluidity and rotation as far as personnel position this past year (Lallana in particular). So my problem is with getting two players of the same type for the same position. That, I do not see the practicality nor agree with.
 

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I agree with you, but I don't think you quite get what I'm saying.

Chadli is the left wide-forward type, who also has previous experience at striker. What I personally would prefer, is another left winger addition who is very different from that. Gives us multiple options at the same position for Poch to work with, who used quite a bit of fluidity and rotation as far as personnel position this past year (Lallana in particular). So my problem is with getting two players of the same type for the same position. That, I do not see the practicality nor agree with.
I agree & would like Chadli to be our 3rd or 4th strike option however if the likes of Depay were to join he would add that much needed pace & crossing ability to service Soldado with the further option of developing into a top level striker in the future. I think the real problem of solving balance within the squad is that we really have far to many cm & if 2 or 3 were to go we could utilise Chadli as cover for Eriksen & to compete for lw-rw plus supply cover for strikers & possibly play upfront in lc & euro lg. I would definitely like Chadli to stay regardless.
 

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I agree & would like Chadli to be our 3rd or 4th strike option however if the likes of Depay were to join he would add that much needed pace & crossing ability to service Soldado with the further option of developing into a top level striker in the future. I think the real problem of solving balance within the squad is that we really have far to many cm & if 2 or 3 were to go we could utilise Chadli as cover for Eriksen & to compete for lw-rw plus supply cover for strikers & possibly play upfront in lc & euro lg. I would definitely like Chadli to stay regardless.

Completely agree with every bit of this. I think you'll find I've been one of the most adamant posters about us dealing with the LW situation for quite some time now so I'm all for bringing in Depay or Kono or a player of the ilk, I just don't want us bringing in a Remy or Rodriguez for that role given what we already have, and forgoing another more versatile option for that position (versatile in terms of skillset, rather than being the 2nd striker type).
 

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Completely agree with every bit of this. I think you'll find I've been one of the most adamant posters about us dealing with the LW situation for quite some time now so I'm all for bringing in Depay or Kono or a player of the ilk, I just don't want us bringing in a Remy or Rodriguez for that role given what we already have, and forgoing another more versatile option for that position (versatile in terms of skillset, rather than being the 2nd striker type).
I actually like Rodriguez, think he's a very good footballer just needs to improve his finishing & wouldn't mind us signing him if he can prove he has recovered from his injury, though I agree with you about him not be the solution to LW however if Ade & Kane were to leave I'd be delighted if we signed him as a straight up the middle striker.
 

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I actually like Rodriguez, think he's a very good footballer just needs to improve his finishing & wouldn't mind us signing him if he can prove he has recovered from his injury, though I agree with you about him not be the solution to LW however if Ade & Kane were to leave I'd be delighted if we signed him as a straight up the middle striker.

Yeah I just don't want us forgoing a necessary left winger signing in lieu of not only an injured player, but a player I worry Poch would just play in the same manner as he did at Saints when I think we have another player who is fully capable of doing so. Just makes no practical sense to me.
 

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Yeah I just don't want us forgoing a necessary left winger signing in lieu of not only an injured player, but a player I worry Poch would just play in the same manner as he did at Saints when I think we have another player who is fully capable of doing so. Just makes no practical sense to me.
Exactly especially if Davies is the left back brought in, we need a specialist crosser either at lb or lw to get the best out of Soldado. There's 1 player from Southampton we should target to get the best out of Soldado & that's the best crosser of the ball in the lg Ward-Prowse, if we had him on the right & someone like Nagatomo at lb providing service from the left we could easily do with Eriksen or Lamela been given that roaming roll on left for the time being.
 

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Exactly especially if Davies is the left back brought in, we need a specialist crosser either at lb or lw to get the best out of Soldado. There's 1 player from Southampton we should target to get the best out of Soldado & that's the best crosser of the ball in the lg Ward-Prowse, if we had him on the right & someone like Nagatomo at lb providing service from the left we could easily do with Eriksen or Lamela been given that roaming roll on left for the time being.

I like Ward-Prowse a lot, and especially like his versatility through the middle. However, I think we could do better, and you have to imagine he's looking forward to a bigger role in that Saints side. Not sure he'd be willing to come to us to fight for his place yet again and at a bigger club.
 

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Exactly especially if Davies is the left back brought in, we need a specialist crosser either at lb or lw to get the best out of Soldado. There's 1 player from Southampton we should target to get the best out of Soldado & that's the best crosser of the ball in the lg Ward-Prowse, if we had him on the right & someone like Nagatomo at lb providing service from the left we could easily do with Eriksen or Lamela been given that roaming roll on left for the time being.

but Nagatomo is right footed

Davies has a decent cross. The problem is he's hardly in a position to make a cross
 

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Lamela and Eriksen are included among those attackers, it's the individual behind them to get it to them he's undoubtedly referring to. Part of Eriksen's problem in the middle is he had no consistent supply of passes in transition to promote him receiving the ball in space. Was far too easy for the quality sides to entirely remove him from the game because all they had to do was keep our two CM's passing horizontally.

However, I do think Holtby here may possibly be able to do the job. But there are some very expensive investments he'd be playing over for first choice, and players who would undoubtedly be quick to complain and soon after demand a move under such circumstances (Paulinho and Dembele, assuming both are still at Spurs come September - I do think one will go).

Exactly, our current CMs dawdle on the ball for too long, meaning when it finally reaches a striker or eriksen the opposition are back in their defensive formation, i.e. 10 men behind the ball. That's why we were so shit in attack last season

We need someone who can ping the ball upfield to an attacker after just one touch, not 13 touches and 4 sideways passes
 

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What is ambition in your eyes? Was signing Lamela, Chadli, Paulinho, Eriksen, Soldado, Capoue and Chiriches last summer ambitious? Is all that negated by buying one or two solid PL players?


You couldn't really add Shawcross to that list and keep a straight face.
 

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We will also be looking to free spaces before bringing too many new players so it could well be a case of 1/2 out 1 in at a time.

This part is spot on, we have 31 players in the squad that need to be registered, so I think we need to get rid of 10 (either sales or loan) before we even think about 1 in 1 out (after we have a LB).
Some names are obvious:
BAE
Hall
Khumalo
Obika
Mason
Falque
1 of Naughton & Fredericks

After that, based on what reports/ITKs have said about who is in the plans & what positions we are after. I would say:
2 of Dembele, Paulinho, Holtby & Carroll
1 or possibly 2 of Lennon, Siggy & Chadli
 

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We will also be looking to free spaces before bringing too many new players so it could well be a case of 1/2 out 1 in at a time.

This part is spot on, we have 31 players in the squad that need to be registered, so I think we need to get rid of 10 (either sales or loan) before we even think about 1 in 1 out (after we have a LB).
Some names are obvious:
BAE
Hall
Khumalo
Obika
Mason
Falque
1 of Naughton & Fredericks

After that, based on what reports/ITKs have said about who is in the plans & what positions we are after. I would say:
2 of Dembele, Paulinho, Holtby & Carroll
1 or possibly 2 of Lennon, Siggy & Chadli

Not only this, but we have 18 foreign players we would have to register before loans and sales. So not only do we have to move one on as is, but we'd have to move someone out for every incoming foreign player after that.
 

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Not only this, but we have 18 foreign players we would have to register before loans and sales. So not only do we have to move one on as is, but we'd have to move someone out for every incoming foreign player after that.
Yes, based on the players I suggested, that would get rid of at least 4 non HG players, which would mean we can bring in a LB, CB & LWF (based on what Ali Z said we are after) and if we were to but a CF, we would only do so if we sold Ade or Soldado anyway, so we would be pretty well covered for that.
 

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Ali Z on coys
We will also be looking to free spaces before bringing too many new players so it could well be a case of 1/2 out 1 in at a time.

This part is spot on, we have 31 players in the squad that need to be registered, so I think we need to get rid of 10 (either sales or loan) before we even think about 1 in 1 out (after we have a LB).
Some names are obvious:
BAE
Hall
Khumalo
Obika
Mason
Falque
1 of Naughton & Fredericks

After that, based on what reports/ITKs have said about who is in the plans & what positions we are after. I would say:
2 of Dembele, Paulinho, Holtby & Carroll
1 or possibly 2 of Lennon, Siggy & Chadli
BAE, Khumalo, Obika, Lennon, Siggy, Dawson, Ade should all be sold. Fredericks and Carroll should be loaned. Maybe sell Falque and Mason(I'd like them to be given a shot during the tour and the Shalke friendly though). I could have sworn I saw somwething on here about Hall going to MLS, maybe not though. Bentaleb could see a loan too as our CM is stacked and he needs regular time. Lets say all those leave, that is 13 departures.

Bring in a center half, left back, striker and left winger for the first team and a few youth signings and call it a window.
 

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BAE, Khumalo, Obika, Lennon, Siggy, Dawson, Ade should all be sold. Fredericks and Carroll should be loaned. Maybe sell Falque and Mason(I'd like them to be given a shot during the tour and the Shalke friendly though). I could have sworn I saw somwething on here about Hall going to MLS, maybe not though. Bentaleb could see a loan too as our CM is stacked and he needs regular time. Lets say all those leave, that is 13 departures.

Bring in a center half, left back, striker and left winger for the first team and a few youth signings and call it a window.
Grant Ward is the one who is playing in MLS at the moment. Based on who you have being sold, only 3 of the 4 players you would want to bring in could have non HG status, which is fine if we get Davies for LB.
 

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Grant Ward is the one who is playing in MLS at the moment. Based on who you have being sold, only 3 of the 4 players you would want to bring in could have non HG status, which is fine if we get Davies for LB.
Yeah I know that Ward is there. But I thought I read something about Hall possibly about to move to Chicago as well.
 
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