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TWLURK

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Found the original post Sevvy referred to (see a few posts above). Saintsweb seems to gush over Guan 2.0. I've bolded the key part here.

Guan 2.0

No one has been able to stop the dominos thus far.

Think we are going to now have to pay well over the odds for someone (most likely Vlarr), just to show other targets we can bring people in.

One of four Dutch nationals that are priority targets.

Quite a bit of buck passing will come to head this week. Boardroom personnel may change, not as much as first team.

Morgan was a key member (view of entire club). So we have to do something drastic now.

That's as much detail I can go into from the bullet points I was sent. We lose either way with J-rod, MoPo likes Ings as well, and Liverpool fancy both.
 

Mouse!

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schneiderlin's a better option for us than dembele, paulinho or sandro

assuming we've sold one of those 3 or more then

It'd be strange for Pochettino to advocate the sale of Dembele and Paulinho without even seeing them train, or Sandro without seeing him in a game situation.

The only senior central midfielders he's been able to assess properly are Capoue and Holtby.
 

yojambo

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People keep posting stuff from Saints forums and we've had the novelisation of their clubs breakdown on here today.

DanTheYid will be seething :ROFLMAO:
 

Dirty Ewok

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People keep posting stuff from Saints forums and we've had the novelisation of their clubs breakdown on here today.

DanTheYid will be seething :ROFLMAO:

Well at least it was Saints ITK....i mean that's ITK of a sort...

Maybe it is ok via a "technicality".....er something.
 

TWLURK

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People keep posting stuff from Saints forums and we've had the novelisation of their clubs breakdown on here today.

DanTheYid will be seething :ROFLMAO:

He's a grown man, he'll be alright..let me check his twitter account to see how he is holding up…

3 hours ago. dan_raven89 maybe cause A&C is a massive ****

2 hours ago. dan_raven89 hate that site, it's like a school

I'll check back later...
 

Bobbins

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I heard about MS a couple of days ago from a friend of mine who knows a couple of agents, one of which is from the same agency as MS's - apparently he was asking for in the region of £75k a week, having been on 60k at Soton.

He has also turned down several enquiries from Arsenal, including one as recent as Saturday, and by the sounds of it they were offering him more money than us.
 

thinktank

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I know I'm gonna be shot down right now, but I just can't quite fathom why everyone suddenly praises Capoue so much, and would have him as the first person on the midfield position. Don't get me wrong, I also think Capoue is a great player and was really excited when we bought him. But there seems to be some kind of Capoue-hysteria around this site now, and I'm just wondering if it's something I have missed these past days when I've been away on holiday! Has he been immense in the pre season matches or something?

I don't write this to slag off Capoue, I think he's a very exciting player. But I haven't seen anything of him to qualify him to a guaranteed starting place over all our other midfielders, and I still think Sandro and Paulinho might be just as good, if not better players. Capoue has got an amazing physique for Poch's high pressure style, but who's to say Sandro can't do a just as good a job? Even better, for thats sake. Sandro has his injury problems, but so does Capoue. It won't be easy for Poch to make this decision, that's for sure.

Combined with a Schneiderlin (who is much more defensive minded than a lot of people on here seems to believe), I would want a more attacking player next to him, and I just hope Pochettino has enough time on him to try out the different pairings, before eventually shipping out a player.

My main point is, have I missed something about Capoue for the last couple of weeks, for him to be everyones favourite? I'm sincerely just curious, and want to hear peoples opinions. I'm just afraid we would end up with a too defensive minded midfield, compared to the rest of our rivals.

(And sorry about my english, I'm Norwegian and at the time a bit drunk...)
Because we saw his potential before he got injured and now we're seeing those qualities again, indicating he's back on track for awesomeness.

Both, together, are ideal for poch due to the diverse nature/potential of their play.

Capoue on form: strong, good passes/distributer, good vision, good aerially, positionally sound, good brain. Hopefully he'll regain the zip/sharpness he had before the injury as well as he was bursting forward at some speed when he first got here, but seemed to lose some of that after the injury.
 

The Spurs Lad

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I know I'm gonna be shot down right now, but I just can't quite fathom why everyone suddenly praises Capoue so much, and would have him as the first person on the midfield position. Don't get me wrong, I also think Capoue is a great player and was really excited when we bought him. But there seems to be some kind of Capoue-hysteria around this site now, and I'm just wondering if it's something I have missed these past days when I've been away on holiday! Has he been immense in the pre season matches or something?

I don't write this to slag off Capoue, I think he's a very exciting player. But I haven't seen anything of him to qualify him to a guaranteed starting place over all our other midfielders, and I still think Sandro and Paulinho might be just as good, if not better players. Capoue has got an amazing physique for Poch's high pressure style, but who's to say Sandro can't do a just as good a job? Even better, for thats sake. Sandro has his injury problems, but so does Capoue. It won't be easy for Poch to make this decision, that's for sure.

Combined with a Schneiderlin (who is much more defensive minded than a lot of people on here seems to believe), I would want a more attacking player next to him, and I just hope Pochettino has enough time on him to try out the different pairings, before eventually shipping out a player.

My main point is, have I missed something about Capoue for the last couple of weeks, for him to be everyones favourite? I'm sincerely just curious, and want to hear peoples opinions. I'm just afraid we would end up with a too defensive minded midfield, compared to the rest of our rivals.

(And sorry about my english, I'm Norwegian and at the time a bit drunk...)

Capoue has been central to everything in Pochettinos system so far, everything has gone though him, he has dictated the play entirely. He is being asked to play a deep lying player maker role which Sandro and Paulinho simply cannot as they don't have the required passing skills.

Schneiderlin at Southampton when Wanyama come in was asked by Pochettino to play a more box to box role and moved forward whilst allowing Wanyama to sit deeper and dictate play from deep thus suggesting we will use a similar system with Schneiderlin alongside Capoue.

In addition, we need two strong powerful ball winners who can also dictate play in the middle to allow the full backs to run forward and the 3 behind the striker to be able to free roam as much as Pochettino seems to want them to (to make them unmarkable by defenders and help create chances).

As an added point, both Capoue and Schneiderlin are decent going forward, not as entirely defensive as some think.
 

thinktank

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I heard about MS a couple of days ago from a friend of mine who knows a couple of agents, one of which is from the same agency as MS's - apparently he was asking for in the region of £75k a week, having been on 60k at Soton.

He has also turned down several enquiries from Arsenal, including one as recent as Saturday, and by the sounds of it they were offering him more money than us.

Arrrrrrgh, see, I knew this would happen! That fucking pochettinho is ruining e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g!!! fffs!!! :mad::mad::mad:

:coffee:





*I'm not gonna stop you know....
 
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thinktank

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Capoue has been central to everything in Pochettinos system so far, everything has gone though him, he has dictated the play entirely. He is being asked to play a deep lying player maker role which Sandro and Paulinho simply cannot as they don't have the required passing skills.

Schneiderlin at Southampton when Wanyama come in was asked by Pochettino to play a more box to box role and moved forward whilst allowing Wanyama to sit deeper and dictate play from deep thus suggesting we will use a similar system with Schneiderlin alongside Capoue.

In addition, we need two strong powerful ball winners who can also dictate play in the middle to allow the full backs to run forward and the 3 behind the striker to be able to free roam as much as Pochettino seems to want them to (to make them unmarkable by defenders and help create chances).

As an added point, both Capoue and Schneiderlin are decent going forward, not as entirely defensive as some think.
It's a perfect partnership, with a 'roundness' of strength to it.

Very exciting indeed.
 

thinktank

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Simon Clancy (bbc) saying "I know of one Premier League club that have a strong interest in Clyne"

In 'Southampton exodus' thread, posted by @yawa


[edit] don't laugh, it's gotta be us hasn't it :D
 
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THFCSPURS19

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Since when did the Paulinho thread merge with the ITK thread...?

I gave up talking about Paulinho weeks ago (albeit I did make a very brief comment earlier on in the thread in response to someone getting something very badly wrong)
 

St José Dominguez

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Since when did the Paulinho thread merge with the ITK thread...?

I gave up talking about Paulinho weeks ago (albeit I did make a very brief comment earlier on in the thread in response to someone getting something very badly wrong)

It was just in relation to Schneiderlin. You're right though, best stop.
 

Dirty Ewok

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Simon Clancy (bbc) saying "I know of one Premier League club that have a strong interest in Clyne"

In 'Southampton exodus' thread, posted by @yawa


[edit] don't laugh, it's gotta be us hasn't it :D

I know United were rumoured to be interested in him at one point.....but i wouldn't be surprised if it was Daniel trying to fleece Soton even further.
 

mw828

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I heard about MS a couple of days ago from a friend of mine who knows a couple of agents, one of which is from the same agency as MS's - apparently he was asking for in the region of £75k a week, having been on 60k at Soton.

He has also turned down several enquiries from Arsenal, including one as recent as Saturday, and by the sounds of it they were offering him more money than us.
I don't believe for a second that they were paying him 60k pw. No way.
 

ItsBoris

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That same guy posted more later on, with some bits on Poch too;

Pochettino

Mauricio and his staff were settled and more than happy to stay. Sure, he's got ambitions but he'd grown close the players and was enjoying his work. The subsequent power shift threw that all up in the air and he was talked round from resigning in January, a lot of it was out of loyalty to the players. We've seen a lot of stuff on here about him being shifty and disloyal - he wasn't. He seeked assurances about the following season and was rebutted, like Lallana and the other players. Reed and Krueger maintained they were in control but weren't. Pochettino decided after considerable time waiting to talk about the new season and the strategy for it to look elsewhere.

By the time Spurs had shown an interest, our board then panicked and offered him a MEGA deal to stay and all the funds from the sales of any players. He told them where to go - he was willing to accept 1-2 departures but he got no guarantees that there wasn't going to be any more. He wanted to decide his playing squad and with him staying, we would have been in a much more persuasive position. Additionally to this, Pochettino had already put a lot of work in and identified players that he'd have liked to have been brought in for the following campaign but was told there was no guarantee on what budget he'd get and whether we'd pay the money for them.

For him, the "project" was dead. No assurances were forthcoming when he asked and by the time the board realised he was in the sights of Spurs, his mind was already made up - and with that, so was many of the other players minds too.

Irrespective, MP and his family continue to live in Southampton and are due to move into a new place in OV.


Koeman

RoKo was aware of the Lambert, Lallana and Shaw sales but had no intention of losing any more players. He was promised a significant amount of money to rebuild the team in his style but did not sign up for a mass exodus. It'll be interesting to see how he reacts. So far, he's kept a dignified silence but I wouldn't be too surprised if the rumours of his grumbles behind the scenes are true.

RoKo was identified as the correct choice after his work with a young team on a shoestring budget a Feyenoord and seemed a perfect fit. That said, he didn't sign up for this. At the moment, he's likely receiving a lot of fluff talk from the powers that be about reinvestment. He should be very, very suspicious right now.

Irrespective of this, the Prem's a good place for him to be "seen" and I'm sure he'll make the most of his opportunity if given a fair crack of the whip. He didn't sign up for this though, that's for sure.

Cork & Fonte

In May, there were new contracts on the table for both players (still Pochettino in charge). However, these offers were withdrawn after the rumoured instruction that all the players were for sale.

Training Ground

We were always going to continue with the finishing of the training ground; the work there was never going to be halted. It's seen as an asset in any potential future sale and with the sales of Chambers, Shaw and Lallana from the very place those players were developed could be viewed as prestigious and potentially noteworthy to anyone interested in buying the club.

Summary

So where does that leave us after all this? With a threadbare squad of kids, unwanted players and established pro's with just 2 weeks or so until the Premier League season starts. I did mention a few months back of a domino effect and if you trawl my posts, you'll see that I had often spoke of this (albeit cryptically, much to many of you's annoyance).

Expect one possibly two players in this week in attempt to placate the well-placed hysteria surrounding the club but also expect more to follow too. We're pinning our hopes on some new acquisitions, a quick-gelling period and untested and quite frankly, ill-prepared and clearly not-ready youth team players who will be hastily thrown into Premier League football before they're even ready.

The problem is, with the clear lack of ambition with the sales has put a lot of players off and with the obviously huge intake of cash, it's also driven up the price of a lot of our targets as well. We've got bids in for a lot of players but we're nowhere near the valuation of many of the players because other clubs know we've got cash to burn. It's left us in a very difficult situation and it'll be quite remarkable if we finish mid-table this year, let alone anywhere higher. There's a lot of p1ssed off people right now, many of them staff and players who share YOUR frustrations. The stripes, the fan-friendly letters... it's all fluff. Is there a vision? Is there a strategy? No, not any more. We'd be lucky to tread water and that's what Les and co are hoping we do.

Much of this was avoidable, there was absolutely no need for a domino effect. Sure, we were always going to be victims of our own success but if we'd played things out differently with MP, AL et al then things could have been so so different.

That's it for now, I'll write more later.

We should take advantage of their need for players to get the ones that we want. They take a couple of million off the asking prices for Schneiderlin and Rodriguez and we send them a player or two on loan for the season.
 
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