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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The BEN HUR Edition 7th July 2012

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Sum Monsterism

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Personally think having a good couple of games in the euros can influence people. I'm personally not that confused about him. He's a good player, just don't rate him much higher than that. He can receive the ball fairly well with people around him, although not as good as Modric at that, but I dont think he's got a change of pace in his game, with or without the ball. He's not worth more than £15m imo and it will be interesting to see if anyone else is in for him over that price.

I'm not gonna give you a disagree, but I disagree. He's been mentioned in conjunction with and, presumably watched by, big clubs for a number of years. Perhaps the asking price for an as yet untried outside of Portugal player is too high, but what clubs would pay £30m for a cm like him? Utd no money, chavs til recently had Fwank and Essien doing similar jobs, whilst real and barcelona are also well stocked in that position.

He's better than good if you consider some people describe Jake Livermore as good.
 

Mr Pink

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Personally think having a good couple of games in the euros can influence people. I'm personally not that confused about him. He's a good player, just don't rate him much higher than that. He can receive the ball fairly well with people around him, although not as good as Modric at that, but I dont think he's got a change of pace in his game, with or without the ball. He's not worth more than £15m imo and it will be interesting to see if anyone else is in for him over that price.

Of course a tournament can influence people but that certainly wasn't the first time he caught my eye. He doesn't have the intricate dribbling skill of Modric and that deft drop of the shoulder to riggle out of tight situations but he's more aggressive/determined off the ball and his passing is excellent. Its about fitting the system well and getting the right balance....I think 15 million is a snip for a player of his ability.
 

Sum Monsterism

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Well, Spurs already have their own TV channel. The question is how much more money would be brought in to the club by having a much wider audience from a Freeview channel than from a pay to watch channel. Always remembering that it may be possible to have a pay per view for the games, and the wider audience would bring in more money form merchandising.

I really have no idea, it's just a thought!

I'm not trying to by annoying - but I don't think we'd be allowed to offer ppv matches outside of the PL's own multi billion pound deal. equally, would having a (UK based) freeview channel provide income, or cost money? I think the latter with very little chance of the former.
 

Woland

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where to start..? This is a total no go. Better things to spend money on, like new stadium? Maybe you were joking. Hopefully.
Tapping in into worldwide exposure never hurts and a decent online tv channel helping to boost the numbers of our worldwide fanbase costs less than Bentley's football shoes and hair styling products supply. It's not ITK, just saying the stadium vs marketing costs is Barça vs Torquay United case.
Edit: fcourse live games is a no-go.
 

McFlash

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If, or when Mods leaves, he'll leave a hole in or team but it won't be a mods shaped hole so the player that fills it doesn't really need to be compared to him.
If the team improves, which it has already with the quality of our signings so far, then I'm a happy fan.

I'd trade your Modric for Gylfi, Verts and Moutinho (or whoever).
 

SpurSince57

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In regard to training under harry, I swear I read some ITK on here that stated that Harry was very much "hands-off" during training sessions, and would mostly just watch from the sidelines while Joe & co did most of the work.

Of course, that could be absoloute bull. It certainly seems that AVB likes to get involved though, and let's hope his training scheme promotes cohesive squad development rather than alienating too many players.

I think that's pretty common knowledge.
 

Roynie

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I'm not trying to by annoying - but I don't think we'd be allowed to offer ppv matches outside of the PL's own multi billion pound deal. equally, would having a (UK based) freeview channel provide income, or cost money? I think the latter with very little chance of the former.

On reflection, I'm sure you're right as regards the PPV aspect. However, as I said in a previous post, ManU have their own channel. What that does is help to increase the level of their publicity and hence their brand. I really do think we (Spurs) are missing something by having the SpursTV on heir own website. If we are going for the mass market, in terms of pubicity and product branding, we need to be more pro-active and the Freeview market could be the appropriate vehicle for that.

Having said all of that, maybe I'm spouting this in the wrong thread. Sorry A&C. I'll shut up now and carry on getting (more) pissed!!!!
 

llamafarmer

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I agree. I think it's just losts of people's way of dealing with the fact that we are losing one one Europe's best players.
If Moutinho was as good as Modders, Chelsea, Man Urd and RM would be trying to sign him and not Modders!

And if they were we'd almost certainly not get him. I'm sure nobody at the club wants to sell Modric, least of all AVB, but realistically if he wants out that badly again this summer, we might just have to cash in - particularly if we can send him abroad! For the time being we're not a top table club, we will lose players to 'bigger' clubs and we will have to move on and find the next big thing.

From what I've seen (admittedly not loads) Moutinho is a bit more aggressive and direct than Modric and not short on class either and I think he might suit our pacey side very well. Plus AVB knows him as well as anybody, so is well placed to make that decision.
 

doom

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From what I've seen (admittedly not loads) Moutinho is a bit more aggressive and direct than Modric and not short on class either and I think he might suit our pacey side very well. Plus AVB knows him as well as anybody, so is well placed to make that decision.
Yes least we not forget that we will be playing a new system one in which Modders may not work so well in. and do people forget the half season he just had? We might have got third if he had been dropped. Moutinho, I would say covers more ground, is physically stronger, a quicker thinker and is much more involved. Modders on the other hand can control the ball better in tight situations and, as has been said, he has the better dribbling skills and the football is more attractive. I'd be very happy if we could get Moutinho from Modders money with 10 mil to spare.
 

not_tenth-again

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I'd be very happy if we could get Moutinho from Modders money with 10 mil to spare.

My thoughts are Moutinho plus 15m is about right, here's hoping anyway because that'd leave enough for Lloris and most of Ade's cost.
 

spursfan77

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I've seen the guy play a fair amount for both Portugal and for Porto and He'd make a fantastic replacement for Modric. For Porto especially, he is the guy who dictates the tempo of the game, never mind just the team! On the whole they are very similar players indeed, but I would say Moutinho doesn't quite have the dribbling skills of Modric, but makes up for it with superior passing skill. It's as much as a like-for-like replacement as you're likely to find!

At last someone who has seen him play quite a bit. I must say I've only seen him play a little and I've never been that convinced. But your post has sold me on him a little bit more.
 

WhiteHart4Ever

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My thoughts are Moutinho plus 15m is about right, here's hoping anyway because that'd leave enough for Lloris and most of Ade's cost.
Although Modric is our best player getting in a good ball playing CM with defensive qualities (like Moutinho) a free-scoring attacking midfielder (gylfi) and either a CB or a striker (verts/Ade - look at it any way you like) sounds like strenghtening the team at no cost. If you're talking salaries I'd say Bentley, Jenas, Gio, Piennar are the kind of sales that should finance the salaries of new players, they are the ones that really cost us money..
 
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