The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Copacabana Edition 16th May 2014

[absolute bobbins]

Can you imagen he gets sacked and goes to Monaco

Then we'll just take the third choice

 

[SpurSince57]

Could anyone imagine that all our targets became unavailable and all that was left was moyes! Goddam it what a thought, I would definitely turn to self harming, or cat kicking anyway.

And yet Moyes kept an underfunded Everton there or thereabouts for years. Agreed, they've never been much fun to watch, but they've never been easy to beat.

The United job was a poisoned chalice if ever there was one. It shouldn't be held against him.

 

[absolute bobbins]

If Rafa is the Fat Spanish Waiter (FSW) is Pochettino the Fat Argentine Gaucho?

 

[DaSpurs]

And yet Moyes kept an underfunded Everton there or thereabouts for years. Agreed, they've never been much fun to watch, but they've never been easy to beat.

The United job was a poisoned chalice if ever there was one. It shouldn't be held against him.

This is all very true, but he does seem to have a rather obsolete understanding of the game, and as such I think we can all agree that we could do better.

 

[etchedchaos]

And yet Moyes kept an underfunded Everton there or thereabouts for years. Agreed, they've never been much fun to watch, but they've never been easy to beat.

The United job was a poisoned chalice if ever there was one. It shouldn't be held against him.

AVB kept us around 4th with boring football and we still turned on him, Moyes would have no chance with our fans. He's just a horrible fit for our club, we don't run on a shoestring budget, the Chairman isn't content with mid-table finishes and the odd top 6 finish and the fans expect attractive football above all else.

 

[Yid]

Paco Ayestaran was on Sky Sports News earlier and he said that he spoke to Ancelotti in Dubai when he was PSG manager and Carlo said to him that his mind was in France but his heart was in England and for the Premier League.

and his schlong was in Spain?

 

[Geyzer Soze]

If Rafa is the Fat Spanish Waiter (FSW) is Pochettino the Fat Argentine Gaucho?

And Ancelloti the Fat Italian Talisman


Wait ...

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

In the 40 years since Bill Nicholson retired we've had 16 full-time managers (that excludes Clem & Livermore, Pleat and Shreevesy in their caretaker spells, and Sherwood). That's one every 2.5 years, but KB's eight years skew that a lot. Leaving him out, it's 15 in 32, or one every 2.13 years. Under ENIC, the figure is 2.16 years. It's a Spurs thing, not just a Levy thing.

Liverpool have had 11 managers in the same period, Chelsea 22 (!) counting Maureen just the once, City 21, Fulham 20, West Brom 25, Stoke 21, Villa 15, Newcastle 19, Everton 11, Sunderland 21, Bolton 15, Blackburn 19. (I may have counted in the odd caretaker, but I don't think those figures are too far out.) It's not just Abramovich and Master Bates before him; our owners haven't been particularly trigger-happy. Long-serving managers like Wenger and Ferguson are the exceptions that prove the rule.

It's not an argument for in here but seeing as i'm refreshing the thread and locking this one i'll show you how easy it is to make stats suit your point of view.

You've left out Pleat & Sherwood but why would you? I can understand leaving someone out who was in charge for three or four games but they had pretty much a full season each. The number of managers we've had since Danny boy took over is nine. That's not guilding the lily, that's fact.

So, excluding very short term caretakers Spurs have had 32 managers since 1898. Twenty two of these in the first 100 years and the next man will be something like the 10th in the last 16 years. That's staggering. 100 Years = 22, 16 Levy Years = 9 (10 when we appoint the next man)

The first one hundred years, managers lasted an average of 5 years. Under Levy? Around 1.6 years. So it isn't a Spurs thing, it isn't a generic football thing, it's a Levy thing.

So yeah, we can all flim-flam the stats to suit, but there's no dressing it up really, whatever set of stats you prefer to look at, people are starting to look at Levy and his itchy trigger finger. Both he and the club are getting a reputation for it (and that's another fact, Rafa Benitez style)

It should be noted that this is just an example, that's all. I do not necessarily believe it myself and under no circumstances should this be taken as a pop at daddy, erm I mean Daniel Levy