The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The eyebrow edition 23rd May 2014

[worcestersauce]

99% hated Timmy for various reason but now same people welcome a man whose previous win rate is 38%

Perhaps there were various reasons to hate him and perhaps they were valid.
Perhaps a new manager, any new manager won't go on live television immediately after losing a match 4-0 to chelsea and slag off the entire sodding club because he has got no fucking idea of how to conduct himself as Manager of Tottenham Hotspur, perhaps he then won't have people who were supportive of him lose it with him completely.
Let us hope the possession of a brain and the ability not to lose your head is one of the criteria for our new manager.

 

[RichieS]

You don't think it would be a major cause of concern for Levy and Lewis if attendance figures dropped significantly, and many of those that did attend spent their time booing the team?

Is that really that likely though?

 

[Fluteryid]

Maybe you're older than me & therefore correct, which I can't help, maybe not. I don't know, but as a percentage of our lives I assure you you haven't been.

You're the one saying people must lower their expectations ... & in the same breath calling me out as negative? I've not called for any managers head, let alone one who hadn't been appointed yet!

Find me a negative post I've made. (I'll own up to negative Danny Rose posts, & stand by them.) Seriously. Find me a post I've ever made which is more negative than your "lower your expectations & get behind an as yet un appointed manager" post

I've been going to the lane since I was 8. I'm 42 now. I can't say I'm ecstatic at the way things have gone recently. Lower expectations in regards to top 4 and we might actually build something is what I'm getting at not you. I didn't ask for your dig me out reply. I'm not pro poch but if it's him or someone else i'll get behind him and give the guy a chance not call for his head from day 1

 

[Gary Mabbutts Mask]

Dear Mr Levy,

Nine times previous you have been faced with the dilemma of installing a new shiny manager of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. And arguably each and every time you have managed to get things wrong. Now having employed nine different people into the role and ultimately having to then sack these nine people raises many questions.
Just by law of averages for instance it seems very unlikely that all nine could be the wrong man for the job every time.

People have selective memories. levy has called it right plenty of times and arguably got rid of managers at the right time too. Jol was a success and was a dodgy lasagne from champions league. Redknapp was a success and got us there before pissing everyone off with his 'I want the England job shit'. AVB was a success in his first year and got more points than 'Arry, improving bale amongst others in the process. There have been a few bad choices (ramos, santini, etc), but we can't whitewash the good choices he made at times.

Gotta get behind pochetino now rather than assuming we all are better judges of managers based on their careers that can not possibly be compared accurately.

 

[RJ1882]

99% hated Timmy for various reason but now same people welcome a man whose previous win rate is 38%

Be curious to compare Rodgers and Martinez's win rate. It's not Poch has won, it's the style of play he has his team playing. As with Rodgers and Martinez. Getting average players to adopt and implement an attractive style of football, winning and losing playing football the right way.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

I've been going to the lane since I was 8. I'm 42 now. I can't say I'm ecstatic at the way things have gone recently. Lower expectations in regards to top 4 and we might actually build something is what I'm getting at not you. I didn't ask for your dig me out reply. I'm not pro poch but if it's him or someone else i'll get behind him and give the guy a chance not call for his head from day 1

Sorry. I'm tired & twitchy right now I shouldn't be getting into internet conversations.

 

[theShiznit]

You'd think from reading some on here that they'd rather we fail with Poch just to prove them right or get Levy out (still no certainty even if Levy sacks the new man by Christmas)


Get behind whoever is chosen and the team they choose and I suggest those that cannot muster optimism at least muster some diplomacy and start trying to find something to be positive about in our appointment /or keep schtum.

If a new man comes in to a club with half the fans already against him then he (and by association we) are on to a hiding to nothing.

Whoever it is, there is a clean slate, there's no history like with Sherwood (or even AVB with media grudges) no divisions in the camp. Everyone will be out to prove themselves knowing they'll get a fair crack of the whip to fit into Poch (or whoever's) philosophy.

And I'm certainly not interested in heavily weighted PPG stats or perceived language barriers. If he couldn't communicate his ideas in English then there is no way he would get the job.

 

[Spurger King]

Is that really that likely though?

It's unlikely but not beyond the realms of possibility. I was at the Lane when there were fans booing the team after AVB's 2nd or 3rd game in charge (the 1-1 draw against Norwich), so I wouldn't rule anything out.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Just out of pure interest...

Say the shoe was on the other foot, and it was Martinez who guided Southampton to 8th, and Poch would guided Everton to 5th, would it still be a unanimous YES for Martinez and a split decision on Poch?

I just wonder if people have a problem with the club his at, rather than the man himself.

No.
If Martinez got saints to 5th and/or won the fa cup like he did with Everton it'd be a yes.

Saints finished where they should have based on the players they have.

 

[Fluteryid]

Sorry. I'm tired & twitchy right now I shouldn't be getting into internet conversations.

No worries fella. maybe I should remain a lurker!

 

[SpurSince57]

Based on 2 points per win.

Actually, no. I adjusted 1951-1981 results to three points a win and 38 games a season. After our title seasons in 1951 and 1961 (77 and 88 points respectively), our best points total was Nicholson's 72 points in 1967, matched by Villas-Boas in 2012-13.

Try it yourself:

http://www.topspurs.com/thfc-league-history.htm

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

After reading through but a fraction of todays posts I think my left testicle is going to explode.

And now we're back on pee pee fucking gee?

Fucks sake Levy you stunted, three toed, egomaniacal bald headed, saggy pissflapped dwarf ****, sign someone up so I can at least start to get this thread back on some sort of track.

 

[Jamturk]

Actually, no. I adjusted 1951-1981 results to three points a win and 38 games a season. After our title seasons in 1951 and 1961 (77 and 88 points respectively), our best points total was Nicholson's 72 points in 1967, matched by Villas-Boas in 2012-13.

Try it yourself:

http://www.topspurs.com/thfc-league-history.htm

Yes but 1 point was worth much more than in modern times.

Can only really compare in like for like times.

 

[septicsac]

So

After reading through but a fraction of todays posts I think my left testicle is going to explode.

And now we're back on pee pee fucking gee?

Fucks sake Levy you stunted, three toed, egomaniacal bald headed, saggy pissflapped dwarf ****, sign someone up so I can at least start to get this thread back on some sort of track.

Sooner he appoints a manager and we can get to bitching about the players on the transfer rumour list the better.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Actually, no. I adjusted 1951-1981 results to three points a win and 38 games a season. After our title seasons in 1951 and 1961 (77 and 88 points respectively), our best points total was Nicholson's 72 points in 1967, matched by Villas-Boas in 2012-13.

Try it yourself:

http://www.topspurs.com/thfc-league-history.htm

How did you convert 42 game seasons to 38? Take an average ppg?

 

[SpurSince57]

Who is appointed between Poch and FDB has kind of been irrelevant. We have an ok squad but need some obvious changes.

But regardless of that there are 5 teams better than us before the season starts. 6th spot is our benchmark. Us and Everton battling for 6th.

So this appointment is more about Levy than the manager. He HAS to give the person 3 seasons to see what progress cab be made. A knee jerk reaction if we finished 7th next season can't happen. Will he do it? Only time will tell.

And will the fans do the same?

For all those who protested when Jol got the boot, there were at least as many who wanted him out because he couldn't 'take us to the next level'. Harry was our best manager (in league terms, anyway) since Nicholson, but the majority—at least on here—wanted him out. Sherwood did remarkably well, all things considered, but was a hate-figure almost from the off.

Maybe we should look at ourselves before we take the Dear Leader to task.

 

[Barry Mead]

Who is appointed between Poch and FDB has kind of been irrelevant. We have an ok squad but need some obvious changes.

But regardless of that there are 5 teams better than us before the season starts. 6th spot is our benchmark. Us and Everton battling for 6th.

So this appointment is more about Levy than the manager. He HAS to give the person 3 seasons to see what progress cab be made. A knee jerk reaction if we finished 7th next season can't happen. Will he do it? Only time will tell.

But that ain't going to happen is it, Harry's last three seasons were 4th 5th and 4th so in getting rid of him the benchmark was raised to higher, if we finish out of the top 4 then whoever comes will be gone by next summer it's the Levy way

 

[SpurSince57]

How did you convert 42 game seasons to 38? Take an average ppg?

Bang on! I multiplied wins by three, added them to the draws and divided by two. I then multiplied the result by 100.

Simples! (Eek!)

 

[krafty007]

Dont know about you matt, but why he has gambled £700 for a small return, is beyond me

sorry for dat, rating undoooed

 

[SpurSince57]

Yes but 1 point was worth much more than in modern times.

Can only really compare in like for like times.

Explain. I'm all ears. Not to mention agog.