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faulks

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Football is a different type of corporation & a lot of footballers are vat registered, There is a lot of reclaimable tax involved in football clubs so there is no creative accounting required.. & by saying creative accounting is implying fraudulent activity

In my example of Starbucks & Amazon then yes I was implying fraudulent activity, when the whole thing blew up last year on them.

In reference to Tottenham that wasn't the case. My point was in reference to earlier ITK this window that "Levy has only paid tax on transfers twice because of how he reinvests the money". By the logic I imagine we have a very good set of accountants at our club that scrutinize all aspects of the clubs finances in order to best benefit the club, be it by profits or reinvestment into the stadium, squad, etc (Within the law of course)
 

jezz

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Haha don't be so blinkered! He was class against qpr and shite yesterday, he was fouled a couple of times but more often than not out muscled and out witted. Gerrard nicked it off him numerous times coz he knew which way he was going to go, I too knew which way he was going to go from the Paxton !!!
Got any stats to back that statement up?I have and your wrong.
 

thebetamaxboy

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The trouble is we are not going to pay top wages and top transfer fees. That is the be all and end all of attracting top tier talent, especially premier league players and players who already earn a fortune. We have been a team who pick up players go are in their ascendency and sell them on at a profit after a few years, a stepping stone for foreign players to prove themselves on the way to the big teams.

I agree to a point, but Nelson and Saha were hardly in their ascendancy and we desperately needed a striker then. The same applies now .. where are our scouts for LWF and ST? .. didn't we just ditch couilably ?
 

GutBucket

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Pretty good TW overall especially since Dier looks like a huge steal. We are not good enough in attack and it will cost us CL but at least we should see some good football with Pochettino, especially once players learn the system. Also I'm glad we didn't go for Welbeck (even at 11m as first quoted) not to even mention his wages.
 

iluvsteffenfreund

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Got any stats to back that statement up?I have and your wrong.
Fire away... We were unlucky yesterday coz we kept getting fouled especially lamela? Your off your head ! He was poor and predictable yesterday and against qpr he was class. They are all the stats you will need mate
 

m*****73

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I was kind of with your little rant until this little gem. What exactly are you arguing here? That actually spending money works?

Because if I was saying that I probably wouldn't use West Ham as an example of how to spend money. Because that would be stupid.

Yeah, let's take comfort that we're not as bad as West Ham.... that's how this great club has always measured our success, right? Nevermind being embarrassed by Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, City and others.... at least we're not as bad as the Hammers. Levy can highlight that in the annual chairman's report. Something to be proud of.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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I don't know about anyone else, but I just wish there was some rule which said people couldn't come back on here after it all goes a bit better than expected and say "I admit it guys I was wrong about "...". Or at least if they do, then they could be somehow banned from repeating the same negative bullshit the next time they feel their knee jerking in a particular direction.

I've thought this for a long time. I wish there was some accountability then maybe so many people wouldn't post so much baseless, reactionary, bullshit.
 

DaSpurs

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SSN saying no issue with Falcao medical. Fingers crossed they just get timed out.

Who cares. All that money on di Maria and it offered no solution to their problems. Let them buy all the attacking talent they want, means nothing if they don't get their midfield and backline sorted, nor if they don't improve morale.
 

knilly

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I agree to a point, but Nelson and Saha were hardly in their ascendancy and we desperately needed a striker then. The same applies now .. where are our scouts for LWF and ST? .. didn't we just ditch couilably ?
Where would the new player fit in our squad? It would involve another outgoing

I agree that Jan window really was a missed opportunity to cement a place in the top 4 that year. I say cement, it was obviously too much of a risk to the hierarchy to spend and then not finish in a top 4 position
 

Stoof

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So you can see Levy borrowing against future season ticket sales? That in a nutshell is what killed Leeds.

Speculating to accumalte is what all good businesses do at some point. To dismiss this by simple scaremongering is simply misunderstanding risk and how a business can grow.

Hmmm. I don't know if I agree with one particular thing which killed Leeds - I think it was a combination of the overall general lack of financial management. Overpaying for players, overpaying wages, their stadium ownership issues.

It's not really scaremongering - I just think that people have become so detached from the actual values that are being bounded about. One million pounds is a lot of money. 27 of them is quite a bit more!
 

SpartanSpur

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Time to be optimistic and look forward now, what's done is done. But first:-

To all you guys talking down to people for being negative - do you honestly feel this has been a successful window for a top 6/7 side? Do you feel Levy is giving Poch the best chance to succeed? And finally is this all worth such high ticket prices?

I don't want levy out, I don't think we'll finish bottom half, I actually hope our talented coach gets the most out of a decent squad. I think it's within my rights to complain at what I deem to be lack of ambition, and how I feel shortchanged by our chairman. No one should be immune to criticism.

Even JJ who has links to the club is disappointed with the attacking options we've left ourselves with.
 

strader

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SSN saying no issue with Falcao medical. Fingers crossed they just get timed out.

What I don't understand is why on earth are they getting extended time, just BS!!! everyone knew it was 11pm 1st of Sept for over 3 months ago.

All this Transfer window last minute is just BS. Levy time my back side, as he only pulled out one rabbit out of the hat in VDV and every window the levy time is talked about. it almost as though we all plan to be disappointed as there is no levy time, levy time is a myth, it doesn't exist it never will again.

Ok rant over. In all honestly I am glad Lennon, Townsend, Pauli, Vlad, saldado weren't sold. frustrating as it may seem but Townsend and Lennon will offer us more this season than last season.

And if it fails they are shipped out in Jan.
 

spurslenny

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OK. Your constant support of every decision Levy makes (or doesn't make) has finally convinced me.

Our magnificent little genius of a chairman is right. We should forget about actually spending money on the players that our manager wants and instead compete with the likes of Hull City, West Ham and Stoke for players that we've never heard of (unless you spend 20hrs a day on some idiotic football manager game).

Oh wait... Hull, West Ham and Stoke actually have a higher net spend than the mighty Spurs over the last 5 years.

Nevermind, we'll have our new stadium in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017.... definitely.

Blue & Yellow....
Higher net spend, but not higher league finishing position for god knows how many years.

What does that tell you?

I know which one I prefer.
 

Stoof

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Yeah, let's take comfort that we're not as bad as West Ham.... that's how this great club has always measured our success, right? Nevermind being embarrassed by Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, City and others.... at least we're not as bad as the Hammers. Levy can highlight that in the annual chairman's report. Something to be proud of.

But that was you point? You wanted us to be like West Ham, Hull and Stoke?

I'd try and make a proper point if you want to have a sensible discussion.
 

Stoof

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Right I'm done.

I'll see you all in January. I'll make sure the stamp is ready.

You've all been lovely. Except the pricks; you've been pricks. But I still love all of you because you're all mental Spurs.

Onwards and upwards.

Love and kisses,

Stoofio xx
 

whitelanefever

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In my example of Starbucks & Amazon then yes I was implying fraudulent activity, when the whole thing blew up last year on them.

In reference to Tottenham that wasn't the case. My point was in reference to earlier ITK this window that "Levy has only paid tax on transfers twice because of how he reinvests the money". By the logic I imagine we have a very good set of accountants at our club that scrutinize all aspects of the clubs finances in order to best benefit the club, be it by profits or reinvestment into the stadium, squad, etc (Within the law of course)
Ok however when that itk was revealed I posted it wasn't completely accurate to say we only paid tax on transfers twice.. that can't be accurate.. tax is paid on all transfers.. where there getting mixed up is it's reclaimable in the yearly accounts depending on which country or nationality of agents are from, so it's possible the club has only had a negative tax spend in 2 windows however tax is paid on every transfer.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Funny window, reminds me a bit of the first window under Arnesen when we signed a plethora of off radar names, that turned out to be the start of the revolution that saw us take a turn for the better that so far, bar a blip or two, we haven't really looked back from.

Most of them were underwhelming names, signed for next to fuck all. Atouba, Naybet, Carrick, Tanio, Pamarot, Edman, Zeigler, Mendes et al.

That team wasn't about stars, it was about the team.

I may be wrong, but I reckon the boy Dier could be a real gem. He's no Ledley King but IMO could be the player everyone pretended Dawson was for way too long. He's got that fire in his belly, that commitment, but he's quicker and technically much better even today at 20. I'd have him in at CB now ahead of Kaboul. He'll make mistakes but he'll also quickly become the leader we need and a perfect partner for a Vertonghen or Chiriches. I read this week that he captained every level of Sporting Lisbon team he played in under the first team. Not bad for an English kid at one of the best academies around.

Schneiderlin is very good at what he does, but I am very, very happy to see Bentaleb given more first team time to progress. He deserves that IMO and I don't think he'd have got the time in the EPL that he needs to be properly tested if MS had arrived. And I said this weeks ago, not just because we haven't signed MS.

Bentaleb was the best midfielder on the pitch for the first 45 minutes Sunday. Not bad for a 19yo.

There's no super duper world class stars in our team, but maybe, just maybe that's a good thing, we might get to build something for a couple of years without one of the big fish coming in and ripping it to shreds.

We've got a brilliant academy that is churning out a higher level of end product than it ever has. Really well schooled footballers. Lets start making some use of that too.
 
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