The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The SOS Edition 14th May 2014

[USAYID]

Well Rafa has as many questions about him as well, different ones but when you take over stronger teams the expectations are higher. He took over Valencia at a time when they were close challengers iirc they finished 3rd the season before he arrived and in those days it wasn't just Real and Barca, Depor were quite a strong team and won La Liga and also made runners up at the time. He did win La Liga twice and on the back of the success he got the Liverpool job but after early succes you have to ask the question why the decline and why so many poor transfers deals, then considering the Inter team he inherited did he achieve enough, same at Chelsea?
He just won the Italian Cup but they are down a place in Serie A

So there are questions about lack of success on the one hand and also sufficient success given the teams in others

I know it's not easy deciding on managers especially when arguably the best ones have better choices, but simply adding someone to a list that really hasn't achieved anything on the basis that well Rodgers hadn't achieved anything before but got Liverpool to runners up this season so another person might repeat that at another club seems more wing and a prayer than anything else even allowing we won't entice the best options and have to trawl a little deeper

Agree, not easy at all, especially for the one who has to make the decision for real. I just look at who we can realistically get, and think Rafa has the less risk. Sure I didn't think he handled the last couple years at Liverpool well, but if memory serves, that's when the two clowns Hicks and Gillette tok over, so who knows what happened behind the scenes. If this was us contemplating hiring him right after that, then I would not want him. Inter was a poisoned chalice. I don't think it was a coincidence that Jose left right after winning the CL. What he did at Chelsea brought out the best in him, and I'd take a few years of top 4 and a cup or two for a few years, as we push on to challenge for a title.

Just out if curiosity, since you don't seem to want Rafa or Pochettino, who would you like to see get the job?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

amongst all this managerial talk I've forgotten there's likely to be players in and out!


how weird is that? COYS!

Well at least one left back should be fucked off from WHL whether Poch, FDB, Manuel,Pep, Fergie or Moyes takes over..................

 

[cosmund]

Agree, not easy at all, especially for the one who has to make the decision for real. I just look at who we can realistically get, and think Rafa has the less risk. Sure I didn't think he handled the last couple years at Liverpool well, but if memory serves, that's when the two clowns Hicks and Gillette tok over, so who knows what happened behind the scenes. If this was us contemplating hiring him right after that, then I would not want him. Inter was a poisoned chalice. I don't think it was a coincidence that Jose left right after winning the CL. What he did at Chelsea brought out the best in him, and I'd take a few years of top 4 and a cup or two for a few years, as we push on to challenge for a title.

Just out if curiosity, since you don't seem to want Rafa or Pochettino, who would you like to see get the job?

Christopher William Gerard Hughton maybe... he can play left back

 

[Yid]

Yeah, I would say Pochettino is less of a risk than De Boer though in the sense that he's done well at two different clubs, and has premier league experience. De Boer on the other hand, though he has had a lot of success, still screams AVB to me, whereas Pochettino seems to be the midway point between an AVB and a Redknapp. I worry about things like Southampton having blown more winning positions than anyone else in the PL this year, but I'd probably be more worried about a one club man coming in from abroad. That said, Tuchel is my preference so ignore everything I've said

Spot on brother.
I wish Tuchel was a realistic candidate for us as well ((or Favre for that matter ->> would be my 2nd choice after Tuchel))...I'd be all over it for sure, but under the circumstances I'm beginning to lean towards Poch a bit more so than FDB.
Because You, @Mr Pink , @thinktank, and a couple of others almost have me convinced he's our man now.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I'm not really sure that's true, Southampton has been producing some quality young players for a long time, Poch inherited a number of them. In that aspect I don't see that he has done anything different than De Boer taken players from the academy and integrated them into the side, but unlike De Boer he hasn't had four years of sustained success, in fact he has had one period of moving up a bit then back down again and if he stays at Soton does anyone think he'd keep them in 8th position or higher next season? Especially if say Lallana and Shaw move.
De Boer has lost the likes of Suarez, Eriksen, Vertonghen and De Wiel and yet still stayed top

As for Martinez, I don't really see he's done anything exceptional at Everton, the last three years they have finished 7th 7th then 6th, they finished 5th this year but more down to us and United having poor years.

Think you will find that a certain Mr Lukaku had a lot to do with Everton's and WBA's success this past two seasons.

 

[Yid]

Van Gaal is going to Man U and Giggs will be his assistant. That ship has sailed.

Do you have this on good authority?
Well then -->> Give me an "Eye""...Give me a "Tee".....Give me a "Kay".....Everyone, Eye - Tee - Kay!!!!
IJGMC

 

[Sarsipius]

Let's see what the Saints fans are saying:

"Spurs don't deserve him -awful support, just a few chavvy chromosomes removed from Chelsea fans and a bit more ethnically diverse than the joey essexes down the Boleyn. If it aint flashy or new, theyre not interested. Forget that's why they've been so s**t since Arry left."

This is coming from a Saints fan remember.

Wow... the truth hurts, man...

 

[ItsBoris]

I'm not really sure that's true, Southampton has been producing some quality young players for a long time, Poch inherited a number of them. In that aspect I don't see that he has done anything different than De Boer taken players from the academy and integrated them into the side, but unlike De Boer he hasn't had four years of sustained success, in fact he has had one period of moving up a bit then back down again and if he stays at Soton does anyone think he'd keep them in 8th position or higher next season? Especially if say Lallana and Shaw move.
De Boer has lost the likes of Suarez, Eriksen, Vertonghen and De Wiel and yet still stayed top

As for Martinez, I don't really see he's done anything exceptional at Everton, the last three years they have finished 7th 7th then 6th, they finished 5th this year but more down to us and United having poor years.

He inherited some good players but has also helped many of them to improve, which is why so many Southampton players are in demand in the transfer market this summer.

The difference I see is that the players De Boer inherits are coached their whole lives in the Ajax philosophy. So I don't think he's been tested in a job where he has to come in and coach the players in such a way that it transforms how they play as a team. It's a bit like saying that a Barca manager must be a good manager because his team plays good football and wins trophies - but it's harder to evaluate how much of that is down to the culture at Barca and the setup that produces players ready to play in that style, and how much of it is down to the manager himself.

On the other hand, it was plainly obvious at the time how big an impact Pochettino's appointment had on the quality of Southampton's football, both defensively and offensively imo. They've finished 15 points higher this season than last season, many players have performed significantly better, and in general they play an attractive, attacking style of football that is effective in possession. That to me is the sign of a good coach. I think that this season, the lack of depth in their squad took its toll as well - at one point they were 2nd in the table which I would definitely classify as an achievement.

De Boer's 4 years of success comes in a significantly weaker league as well, and there is a valid debate as to just how much of a barometer that is of potential success in the Premier League. I may be totally wrong here though and to be honest I'm glad I'm not picking the manager, there are so many assumptions to be made and you have to get all of them right. Whatever happens, I just hope the people in charge have put plenty of thought into it.

 

[not_tenth-again]

Like the last ITK that says Freund will probably be staying.

 

[allatsea]

Like the last ITK that says Freund will probably be staying.

I know nothing about Freund except he was a poor footballer but loves Spurs. Is he a good coach ? Is that why you want him to stay ?

 

[$hoguN]

F**k sake. Every year I add ITK from this thread into the RO to try to help people out and every year some ungrateful p***k has to give me dislikes for it. I'm not even bothered about the ratings themselves, more about how unappreciative it is. So I'm going to stop posting it in there and let those people have to search for it themselves.

 

[Stoof]

F**k sake. Every year I add ITK from this thread into the RO to try to help people out and every year some ungrateful p***k has to give me dislikes for it. I'm not even bothered about the ratings themselves, more about how unappreciative it is. So I'm going to stop posting it in there and let those people have to search for it themselves.

Noooooo. Don't stop doing that! We'll post again about the (bloody) ratings but please don't stop.

 

[ecce_tottenham]

Like the last ITK that says Freund will probably be staying.

Dude is bullet proof. Need his big jump in the air celebrations back.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

F**k sake. Every year I add ITK from this thread into the RO to try to help people out and every year some ungrateful p***k has to give me dislikes for it. I'm not even bothered about the ratings themselves, more about how unappreciative it is. So I'm going to stop posting it in there and let those people have to search for it themselves.

I can't see it, where? Whodunnit?

 

[$hoguN]

I can't see it, where? Whodunnit?

I think stoof removed them mate, which really wasn't the point of the post. The ratings mean nothing. I'm just f**ked off that people feel the need to act that ungrateful when someone is trying to do the majority a favour.

 

[not_tenth-again]

I know nothing about Freund except he was a poor footballer but loves Spurs. Is he a good coach ? Is that why you want him to stay ?

He's coached the German U16s and 17s, runner up Euros and 3rd in world cup from memory. I'd probably like to see him as head of youth development rather than around the first team but I just think his passion for the club and youth coaching back ground really suits our ambitions at the moment.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I think stoof removed them mate, which really wasn't the point of the post. The ratings mean nothing. I'm just f**ked off that people feel the need to act that ungrateful when someone is trying to do the majority a favour.

I'm pretty sure that in most cases, they just don't understand the difference between rating in Spurs Chat and here in the ITK Forums.

For the benefit of those who don't get it.

People posting ITK in the RO (Read Only) are not expressing their own views or opinions, they are collating it for the benefit of us all, including you, which is why you're here. Without it, there would be no ITK Forums. It's such a crucial part of how this all works that people who don't allow this to sink in are likely to lose their access to this part of the site.

 

[SpurSince57]

To be honest, reading much of this thread, I think it's pretty smart to hate the new manager right out of the gate. That way you don't waste the weeks until mid September when you will hate him anyway because we drew 1-1 with West Brom.

It's not as if he's going to be here for long anyway.

 

[$hoguN]

I'm pretty sure that in most cases, they just don't understand the difference between rating in Spurs Chat and here in the ITK Forums.

For the benefit of those who don't get it.

People posting ITK in the RO (Read Only) are not expressing their own views or opinions, they are collating it for the benefit of us all, including you, which is why you're here. Without it, there would be no ITK Forums. It's such a crucial part of how this all works that people who don't allow this to sink in are likely to lose their access to this part of the site.

You are probably correct. I'll stop acting like a bloby little bitch.

 

[$hoguN]

In regards to starts latest offering it will be a terrible shame to let Ramsey go. He is an excellent coach and I would be very surprised if we didn't try to get him to stay in some capacity.