The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Wheels on the Bus

[E17yid]

So a total rebuild it is then so pretty much exactly like Poch was saying but we didn’t trust him to rebuild the squad like we do Jose for some reason.

I totally appreciate that a squad rebuild will take a minimum of 2 years but I doubt Mourinho will still be here in that time. No chance of top 4 this season and assuming we sign a few as phase 1 of the rebuild in the summer it’s going to be a big ask to integrate those players well enough to make top 4 next season at which point I’d imagine shine head will get rid then we can go through another rebuild.

 

[daryl hannah]

I read that we are amateurs in the window when in fact our new manager wants to rebuild the whole team with different players to previously what we looked at under MP and as he has been here only 2 months its a change in direction. So we cant or wont exactly go out and buy a whole new team in January!
His team will revolve around Tanguy who he believes is top class. Add in Harry Sonny Alli Toby Hugo and you have the spine
Slowly things will evolve but i fear not at the pace for a lot of people on here but that is the reality.
Please do not post this anywhere else.
I also can concur with the others when they say that we are now actively looking at bringing in players especially in midfield.
Thank you

I'd love to know how much of that is down to the seeming 1-in-1-out policy whereby we're now waiting on Wanyama and Rose, Eriksen and Vertonghen to run down their contracts to free up spaces to bring in new faces.

As a club we delight in (re)signing our own players up to very long contracts to 'protect the asset' and then if there's a problem (Wanyama, Lamela, Rose, Janssen) we can't force them to leave (Herc's ITK) so time stands still while we wait for their contracts to run out. Either that or they seem to be priced out of a move by being valued too highly by DL (Eriksen for £130m with a year left, for example).

At this rate, by the time we have rebuilt the team and be in a position to challenge, Kane will be pushing 30.

Very concerned that Hugo is part of the long-term plan.

 

[ebzrascal]

With Sissoko and Kane more or less out for the season, in my view this window we should be going for three players this window.. A Bruno Fernandes level player attacking midfielder, a young striker/loan an older proven striker like Cavani, plus add strong technical midfielder which it seems like with have sorted already.

 

[ebzrascal]

So a total rebuild it is then so pretty much exactly like Poch was saying but we didn’t trust him to rebuild the squad like we do Jose for some reason.

I totally appreciate that a squad rebuild will take a minimum of 2 years but I doubt Mourinho will still be here in that time. No chance of top 4 this season and assuming we sign a few as phase 1 of the rebuild in the summer it’s going to be a big ask to integrate those players well enough to make top 4 next season at which point I’d imagine shine head will get rid then we can go through another rebuild.

and the excuse will be we can`t afford new top class players as we are not in the top 4 just feel we missed the boat and it is so typically Spurs !

 

[EastLondonYid]

It’s the Hugo bit that worries me.
If he is part of the spine I think we’re in trouble.

Long term i'm sure hugo wont be, but Jose has far more important positions to fill with the funds at his disposal.

Maybe Jose will improve Hugo, he was untouchable and in a comfort zone with Poch, maybe not now.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

JJ's post doesnt really calm me if I am honest. I remember him saying "Jan will be fun" well 2 potential loans and waiting to summer isnt my definition of fun.

Weve needed a DM, RB and LB for 2 years now and they havent been sorted. Thats negligence. To say we now have to wait another window to sort any of these is embarrassing regardless of if we have switched Managers and back room staff. Im not expecting to get all those positons sorted in Jan but at the very least 1 should be. 2 loan signings because of injuries mean they replace existing players rather than add to the squad and fill the holes. That is not how you progress.

Summer will be more excuses and more disappointment. The standard pattern of very positive ITK which slowly morphs into negative info and excuses has already begun and we arent half way through the month yet lol. This is by no means a dig at ITK as I appreciate the info, Im just feeling let down again by the club.

You’re jaded, understandably, but you’re letting it cloud your judgement a little when you start making predictions and then allow yourself to be disappointed by them.

You say ”Summer will be more excuses and more disappointment.”

You may expect that, but you don’t know it. This summer we bought reasonably well and whilst it was far from being enough on its own, it would be perfectly fine if it were part of a new pattern. We are yet to see what this window will bring, let alone next summer.

People bemoan the fact that the new stadium was supposed to be a game changer but hasn’t been. But we’ve only had one full transfer window in the new stadium and things did change a little. Not enough, but in the right direction.

You may prove to be right. But I can’t agree that it’s wise to make predictions about the future and then react to them as though predictions are the same as reality.

If we bring in a couple of good players in this window (on loan or otherwise, I don’t particularly care as long as they improve us) I’ll be content to wait till the summer before concluding that things won’t improve.

 

[King of the Lane]

You’re jaded, understandably, but you’re letting it cloud your judgement a little when you start making predictions and then allow yourself to be disappointed by them.

You say ”Summer will be more excuses and more disappointment.”

You may expect that, but you don’t know it. This summer we bought reasonably well and whilst it was far from being enough on its own, it would be perfectly fine if it were part of a new pattern. We are yet to see what this window will bring, let alone next summer.

People bemoan the fact that the new stadium was supposed to be a game changer but hasn’t been. But we’ve only had one full transfer window in the new stadium and things did change a little. Not enough, but in the right direction.

You may prove to be right. But I can’t agree that it’s wise to make predictions about the future and then react to them as though predictions are the same as reality.

If we bring in a couple of good players in this window (on loan or otherwise, I don’t particularly care as long as they improve us) I’ll be content to wait till the summer before concluding that things won’t improve.

Fair enough.

 

[ebzrascal]

I'd love to know how much of that is down to the seeming 1-in-1-out policy whereby we're now waiting on Wanyama and Rose, Eriksen and Vertonghen to run down their contracts to free up spaces to bring in new faces.

As a club we delight in (re)signing our own players up to very long contracts to 'protect the asset' and then if there's a problem (Wanyama, Lamela, Rose, Janssen) we can't force them to leave (Herc's ITK) so time stands still while we wait for their contracts to run out. Either that or they seem to be priced out of a move by being valued too highly by DL (Eriksen for £130m with a year left, for example).

At this rate, by the time we have rebuilt the team and be in a position to challenge, Kane will be pushing 30.

Very concerned that Hugo is part of the long-term plan.

I agree with everything you have said 100% really well said !! I would add to that lack of buying players to give competition for players like Kane, Eriksen, Hugo and previously Dembele costs us when they are missing or eventually sold.

 

[rawhide]

The levels of entitlement in this thread are astounding, if not wholly unexpected.

“I want Spurs to develop in line with what I want, and I’ll both and complain when (funnily enough) they don’t.”

 

[Hercules]

We have earmarked 5 key players, not necessarily the biggest names that we want by summer window. Anyone signed now either way would be on that list. They are RB/CB who can play across the back/2 midfielders of which one specialist DM/ Striker, who as well as playing if H rested etc, one who could also play with him, and versatile. Some of JM’s early targets deemed too expensive. But alternatives he is happy with. Aside from the obvious names out there, there is a list of players and their agents; more so we are engaged with the actual agents.

 

[Fredo]

You’re jaded, understandably, but you’re letting it cloud your judgement a little when you start making predictions and then allow yourself to be disappointed by them.

You say ”Summer will be more excuses and more disappointment.”

You may expect that, but you don’t know it. This summer we bought reasonably well and whilst it was far from being enough on its own, it would be perfectly fine if it were part of a new pattern. We are yet to see what this window will bring, let alone next summer.

People bemoan the fact that the new stadium was supposed to be a game changer but hasn’t been. But we’ve only had one full transfer window in the new stadium and things did change a little. Not enough, but in the right direction.

You may prove to be right. But I can’t agree that it’s wise to make predictions about the future and then react to them as though predictions are the same as reality.

If we bring in a couple of good players in this window (on loan or otherwise, I don’t particularly care as long as they improve us) I’ll be content to wait till the summer before concluding that things won’t improve.

The only reason fans are like this is because of the club. Not gonna go any further because probably wrong thread, but when you are proven right in the same situation year after year and window after window, you are bound to make early predictions and dwell on them because the trend has been the same for years. The writing is on the wall really, I don't blame any fan for being disappointed prior to any sort of reality, until the club start earning our trust on a consistent basis maybe thinking patterns will slightly change.

 

[chelmyid]

Probably should read the guide to this forum, and remember that people that pass on information are not controllers of said information or even have any say in the situation at all.

You should also remember where that information is likely to come from - and ultimately, that maybe you shouldn’t be pinning your hopes on that information so heavily.

Salt pinch please.

In fairness I don’t think the post is attacking Jjetset - more the club and how there always seem to be an excuse or a change

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

We have earmarked 5 key players, not necessarily the biggest names that we want by summer window. Anyone signed now either way would be on that list. They are RB/CB who can play across the back/2 midfielders of which one specialist DM/ Striker, who as well as playing of H rested etc, one who cdd sad n also play with him, and versatile. Some of JM’s early targets deemed too expensive. But alternatives he is happy with. Aside from the obvious names out there, there is a list of players and their agents; more so against we are engaged with.

Thanks, interesting as ever.

I don’t understand the last bit - “more so against we are engaged with.”

 

[chrissivad]

Thanks, interesting as ever.

I don’t understand the last bit - “more so against we are engaged with.”

Maybe `agents we are engaged with'?

 

[vicbob]

We all know January is hardly the window for a major rebuild, so if ANY targets are available, even if they are not the top priority, we have to take that chance now, even if it means we have to muddle through until the summer with no DM or RB.

We all know where we need to strengthen and midfield options are high, if not top of the priorities, so if one or both of the Fernandes’ come in then that will help and at least freshen us up a bit. The same applies to Koulibaly, if, and it’s a big if, it can be done now, then you have to do it, even at the expense of “possible” more pressing targets, we are in this for the long term.

The caveat to this is that if by the end of January a couple of DM or RB options have moved to other clubs for a decent price then yes, It may just be the same old promises being made and broken, but I would be surprised if that happens this month.

 

[S17PUR]

I have no idea how long it takes from the point of identifying targets to getting them in, but I would have thought that Jose started studying us the minute he was approached and by all accounts has spent a lot of time across Europe watching football during his sabbatical.

He must have, for instance, known that we needed a right back and a defensive midfielder. It'd surprise me if he hadn't been able to give the board a list of targets fairly early on for those positions, so I'd expect us to at least deliver on some of those.

Realistically all concerned must know that if we don't bring in at least 2-3 this window then Champions League and possibly even Europa League football probably won't be possible next season.

 

[Stoof]

In fairness I don’t think the post is attacking Jjetset - more the club and how there always seem to be an excuse or a change

(If you take every single word of ITK as the exact neurons firing in Levy’s brain, yeah)

 

[SpartanSpur]

Thanks for the info Herc, good to hear we are actually looking for a DM as all points this window seem to suggest we are looking at everything but.

Hopefully some agents can work some magic by the end of the window and we can get a few of these targets in early.

Guessing Koulibaly is the target deemed too expensive. Kane injury probably put paid to any chance of that.

As for JJs info, makes a lot of sense that our targets have changed with change of manager. Different styles mean different skill sets required and different priorities. Means a lot of groundwork will have fallen through unfortunately.

 

[dudu]

I read that we are amateurs in the window when in fact our new manager wants to rebuild the whole team with different players to previously what we looked at under MP and as he has been here only 2 months its a change in direction. So we cant or wont exactly go out and buy a whole new team in January!
His team will revolve around Tanguy who he believes is top class. Add in Harry Sonny Alli Toby Hugo and you have the spine
Slowly things will evolve but i fear not at the pace for a lot of people on here but that is the reality.
Please do not post this anywhere else.
I also can concur with the others when they say that we are now actively looking at bringing in players especially in midfield.
Thank you

Thanks for sharing mate.

As always people are going to have to adjust their expectations to fit in the with the reality of what it actually takes to run a football club.

 

[Martinhotspur]

I know the rules and Im not ITK bashing or questioning the ITK. Im not blaming any ITK for things theyve said being different now to what they previously posted. I was using those examples to reply to JJ and explain why some people feel disappointed in the direction the club is going with the transfer windows again.

Surely thats ok is it not? If im mistsken then I will happily delete my post.

However, I agree that I am fully guilty of not applying enough salt to the ITK and getting wrapped up in the madness. As we all are lol.

Your having a hissy fit