The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[mike_l]

You support the club through thick and thin, and you always want the club to win. Even if you don’t think the manager is right, that next win might be the one from which form is turned around and the season improves. Conversely, there is no guarantee that the loss leads to the manager going, only that we gain no points and our season has got that little bit worse. So the next question is, how many consecutive losses are you willing to accept if it gets the manager out? 3? 5? 11?

Winning is always better than losing. Supporters support. Willing your own team to lose? Shovel. Hole. Lie down.

Yeah, it's still not up to you to decide who is and isn't allowed to call themselves a fan thankfully.

I already said that I want is to win every game so we agree on that, but I can see why someone might prefer to lose one game if they think that it would result in greater success down the line. Just because there is no guarantee that they'd be right, doesn't mean that it's certain they're wrong.

 

[mike_l]

We're not talking about the right to think one thing or another about a manager or a player thought are we. Again, if you start posting that you want the team to lose, you should expect a reaction.

If you're posting anything on here and not expecting a reaction then you're pretty daft, but I just think its it's unnecessary to go calling into question whether they're fans or not, of course they are or they wouldn't care enough to want the manager gone.

If they are going to the stadium and actively cheering the opposition and booing us then it's detrimental and they deserve to be called out on it, but I really doubt anyone is doing that.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Yeah, it's still not up to you to decide who is and isn't allowed to call themselves a fan thankfully.

I already said that I want is to win every game so we agree on that, but I can see why someone might prefer to lose one game if they think that it would result in greater success down the line. Just because there is no guarantee that they'd be right, doesn't mean that it's certain they're wrong.

Not that I'd personally ever suggest I was a better fan than anyone else, but once again, something like that is going to get a reaction and it isn't going to be a good one. Whoever says they want the team to lose has a thousand ways to express their desire for a new manager without resorting to something that is blatantly going to wind other people up.

 

[mike_l]

I don't care if we win rear of the year or not.

As long as we have a decent crack.

Dig yourself a hole and lie in it, you're no true fan

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Yeah, it's still not up to you to decide who is and isn't allowed to call themselves a fan thankfully.

I already said that I want is to win every game so we agree on that, but I can see why someone might prefer to lose one game if they think that it would result in greater success down the line. Just because there is no guarantee that they'd be right, doesn't mean that it's certain they're wrong.

It doesn’t need to be up to me, I will happily say someone who wills us to lose is not a real supporter, online or in person, because I believe it. It’s not up to me to decide that Piers Morgan is a smug self important ****, but I’ll still happily say that he is one because in my core I believe it to be true.

You might not like my point of view, but sadly for you, it is my view and I am quite happy to share it.

 

[mike_l]

It doesn’t need to be up to me, I will happily say someone who wills us to lose is not a real supporter, online or in person, because I believe it. It’s not up to me to decide that Piers Morgan is a smug self important ****, but I’ll still happily say that he is one because in my core I believe it to be true.

You might not like my point of view, but sadly for you, it is my view and I am quite happy to share it.

Ha, that's a rich sign off to the post when this discussion came about due to you being so intolerant of someone's opinion

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Ha, that's a rich sign off to the post when this discussion came about due to you being so intolerant of someone's opinion

I’m not intolerant of their opinion, in fact I’m also of the opinion that Pochettino probably isn’t the man for us, but rather than willing my team to lose so he gets sacked, I’m willing my team to play well and win so that our season improves, a by product of which would be Pochettino becoming the right man for us again in my view. I am able to do this because I’m a supporter first, foremost and only.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Ha, that's a rich sign off to the post when this discussion came about due to you being so intolerant of someone's opinion

See again I disagree, BBLG is usually (usually) pretty tolerant of onions that differ from his own. As I see it, It isn't exactly the opinion (I want a change of manager) here, its the way a small handful of posters express that. As I've already said, people can express that opinion in a thousand different ways and had they done sos BBLG would have kept his great big flappy gums shut.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

See again I disagree, BBLG is usually (usually) pretty tolerant of onions that differ from his own. As I see it, It isn't exactly the opinion (I want a change of manager) here, its the way a small handful of posters express that. As I've already said, people can express that opinion in a thousand different ways and had they done sos BBLG would have kept his great big flappy gums shut.

That might be the nicest thing you’ve ever said about me...

Who are you and what have you done with A&C

 

[mike_l]

I’m not intolerant of their opinion, in fact I’m also of the opinion that Pochettino probably isn’t the man for us, but rather than willing my team to lose so he gets sacked, I’m willing my team to play well and win so that our season improves, a by product of which would be Pochettino becoming the right man for us again in my view. I am able to do this because I’m a supporter first, foremost and only.

It's funny, we're bickering about this and yet I pretty much share you're opinion on the matter of Poch as our manager...

 

[The Doc]

If I was Mr Chairman reading this, I'd stick with Poch until he got us relegated all the way out of the pro leagues. Just to prove an insane, self-defeating point. Then I would put a call into Barry Fry. That'll learn em I would tell meself.

 

[mike_l]

However, those saying they would lose a game to see him gone, rightly or wrongly are saying it because they feel it's better for the club. You don't have to agree or like their opinions to accept that they are fans of the club.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

That might be the nicest thing you’ve ever said about me...

Who are you and what have you done with A&C

Its a bubble thing.

 

[DCSPUR]

He’ll have to rotate again. A lot of players got some time under their belts after playing very little. He’s easing players in despite being under pressure and with the Christmas fixtures around the corner everyone will need to be up to speed. Without getting too far ahead of ourselves a last 16 spot is within sight. A strong December can see us back in the chasing pack for a top 4 spot. Don’t need to blow that all now by throwing everything we have against Sheffield United.

agree largely because injuries to the new lads or Dele (with Lamela already out) would put us in deep trouble

 

[BringBack_leGin]

It's funny, we're bickering about this and yet I pretty much share you're opinion on the matter of Poch as our manager...

This point is further amplified when one considers that you took exception to my initial hyperbolic reaction to those who were willing to go to exaggerative lengths to express their lack of faith in Pochettino as our manager.

 

[Mr Pink]

I understand that a big part of Poch's philosophy was uniting a squad, making everyone feel part of it and thus rotating regularly.

But there are times you just need to adapt, tweak and try something different when you hit these sticky patches. And let's be honest 'patch' is being generous, very generous.

For me he should of recognised this sometime ago, and we're yet to see if he has now. That's where a lot frustration has come from imo.

Poch has been tremendous up until this bad run, but he has to show he can deviate away from the norm when we're struggling.

Yes it's natural to make changes here and there but I think he should be making few at this time.

Build from this performance and result, and go again. Confidence is infectious and making wholesale changes again will probably lead to a disjointed performance on Saturday, and last night is quickly forgotten.

I just want him to keep it simple for a while to get us going again.

But honestly expect a whole raft of changes again which is counter productive imo.

 

[nedley]

Some people are really angry we won it seems, just means that they might have to change their mind because it's ruined their agenda...can't have the team winning and doing well, of course it's not as important as being right on the internet is it

No one is right or wrong.

 

[Shadydan]

No one is right or wrong.

ok

 

[Kilkenny Cat]

He’ll have to rotate again. A lot of players got some time under their belts after playing very little. He’s easing players in despite being under pressure and with the Christmas fixtures around the corner everyone will need to be up to speed. Without getting too far ahead of ourselves a last 16 spot is within sight. A strong December can see us back in the chasing pack for a top 4 spot. Don’t need to blow that all now by throwing everything we have against Sheffield United.

Sorry but that is FAR too sensible, practical and nuanced for some people here...

Last night was the first time we had £140m worth of new talent (Lo Celso, Ndombele and Sessegnon) on the field at the same time this season. This is, largely, the XI that Pochettino WANTED and waited for (hence no Tielemans et al). In a sense, our season has only just begun - and the manager is entitled to be judged when they've all settled in, not before.

As Dougal says, he'll have to rotate again. If Ndombele was knackered after an hour at Goodison, he's not going to be jumping out of his skin on Saturday.

Should we not be better positioned in the table by December 31st I'll start to worry. But not before then.

 

[Lighty64]

It's their prerogative if they want to see things that way, I want us to win every game regardless of the competition or circumstances, but I can see why someone might take that stance. A short term hit for long term prosperity, it's not that crazy, just pragmatic.

the trouble is, there is no guarantee of the long term prosperity actually happening. with the way the squad is at the moment due to contracts, and seemingly players just playing them out, there is no guarantee they will perform better, or the new man leaves them out, but doesn't get the reaction of those remaining.

the trouble with football and its fans is the fans expect to beat teams that are not the best. I never have expected us to beat anyone when we play them whether it's Liverpool or Watford. I hope we beat them, and do it with a good performance being a bonus. trouble is so many teams come to the lane, and park the bus and make it harder to break them down.