The Mauricio Pochettino thread

['O Zio]

They are absolutely not allowed to do that. There are very strict laws around corruption, money laundering and responsible gambling that prevent it.

Maybe they can't come out directly with lies and say e.g. "We've had an inside source tell us that Poch is drafting his notice letter as we speak" when they haven't, but surely they get away with it by just implying that they have info without actually saying anything directly?

Off the top of my head, if they go on the radio saying something like "Well we've got some interesting behaviour in the sack race market. The odds on Pochettino being the next manager to go have been shortening all day, with a lot of people speculating he's about to end his 6 year spell at Spurs" They haven't said they know anything, but it kind of makes it sound like plenty of unspecified people have heard whispers and it makes people think they should stick a bet on too because they don't want to miss out on cashing in on this not-so-secret-and-probably-complete-bullshit "inside" information.

 

[Gb160]

Well Sky and Talksport are owned by the same company - News Corp...

If there's enough a market with attractive odds then inevitably people will put money on it, if there's then more activity on that same market then they could feasibly fabricate a rumour based on that story meaning that more people will back it.

I don't understand what's so far fetched about it?

Sky flogged off the majority of SkyBet years ago.
They still own a small percentage I think.
What they earn through TV/Internet dwarfs what SkyBet make.
Their revenue for 2018 was over £13B, Skybets revenue was £670m.

 

[thekneaf]

Er... if they did it there would be very serious legal ramifications.

That's... not really an answer, but I've enjoyed it.

 

[buckley]

whether I am right or wrong I don't know but it is my belief that this "Poch is leaving " angle is just a money maker for them as they know that there is a lot of Tottenham haters out there and they are putting bets on in hope rather then expectations as its pretty obvious we would be in trouble if he was to just all of a sudden up and leave and they have fallen for the bookies bait and psychology and by placing bets on Poch leaving are being taken for the mugs they are .. There are no poor bookies .

 

[Hakkz]

Maybe they can't come out directly with lies and say e.g. "We've had an inside source tell us that Poch is drafting his notice letter as we speak" when they haven't, but surely they get away with it by just implying that they have info without actually saying anything directly?

Off the top of my head, if they go on the radio saying something like "Well we've got some interesting behaviour in the sack race market. The odds on Pochettino being the next manager to go have been shortening all day, with a lot of people speculating he's about to end his 6 year spell at Spurs" They haven't said they know anything, but it kind of makes it sound like plenty of unspecified people have heard whispers and it makes people think they should stick a bet on too because they don't want to miss out on cashing in on this not-so-secret-and-probably-complete-bullshit "inside" information.

Or they just put up articles like "Why it may be time for Pochettino to go" and other clickbaity stuff listing possible reasons to why it may happen, not that they have any info that it will.

 

[Shadydan]

whether I am right or wrong I don't know but it is my belief that this "Poch is leaving " angle is just a money maker for them as they know that there is a lot of Tottenham haters out there and they are putting bets on in hope rather then expectations as its pretty obvious we would be in trouble if he was to just all of a sudden up and leave and they have fallen for the bookies bait and psychology and by placing bets on Poch leaving are being taken for the mugs they are .. There are no poor bookies .

There's a lot of negative Spurs fans who expect 'Spursy' things to happen to us and would happily put money on the outcome.

 

[Lighty64]

I know that but this is a betting company telling listeners what the odds are, they have no reason to make stuff up. The odds they set are set for a reason.

a few weeks back there was talk, from talkshite that Poch was going to walk. he came from nowhere to being 1 of the favourites to leave because people lumped money on it. if you went down the bookies and put a ton on it, those odds would reduce because of your bet. the bookies have now left it as low odds to secure themselves. like on any betting service the bookies make the original odds, they set them at a risk of what they are willing to lose, from there on in the punters determine the price. just because Poch denied it, doesn't automatically push him back out as an outsider

 

[Lighty64]

I just don’t see what they gain by it in this particular market. Does installing Poch as favourite provoke a flurry of bets? I can’t see that it would.

The fact that it’s a news item on TS is more a reflection of how deep rooted gambling is in sports media in this country. Even self regarding podcasts like The Totally Football Show have jumped into bed with Paddy Power. That’s a problem for me, but I don’t think it necessarily follows that the media is being used to falsely manipulate markets.

the flurry of bets that's made him favourite was when Durham told the world Poch intended to walk after the NLD. now they won't cover themselves in case there is something like a new contract signed

 

[King of Otters]

the flurry of bets that's made him favourite was when Durham told the world Poch intended to walk after the NLD. now they won't cover themselves in case there is something like a new contract signed

Gracia was favourite before he was sacked, so that’s bollocks.

 

[Lighty64]

Gracia was favourite before he was sacked, so that’s bollocks.

think you will find Poch odds dropped massively after those radio comments, even if at the time he was favourite or 2nd favourite. betting firms won't all of a sudden drop his odds back to being a complete outsider even if there isn't even murmurs, and with the way Poch has been since we reached the CL final, he will stay there until there are rumors of another manager being unsettled or under pressure which will only happen once people go silly betting.

one of the reasons Liverpool have always started the season at a reasonable starting price even before last season is because the bookies know, Liverpool are 1 of the biggest teams bet on in a football season

 

[tobi]

He says the team didn't respect the plan.

‘We didn’t respect the plan’: Pochettino disappointed with Tottenham draw

Mauricio Pochettino accused his Tottenham players of lacking fight in the 2-2 Champions League draw at Olympiakos and suggested that they needed to work harder on the psychological side of their game

www.theguardian.com

The players were eager to point out after the Palace game about how this is how we play only to go away from it in the next game.

 

[Shadydan]

I think if you're picking full backs that don't suit your system and keeping Eriksen on the pitch after having an absolute stinker you're gonna have to take some of the blame.

 

[Spursy2j]

hes worrying me, i get the reason to rotate. But i dont get the reason to drop Vertonghen for the first few games, nor do i get the reason to start Sanchez at RB twice. Poch doesnt seem to learn and hes not doing much postive and nor has he for months, his CL comments before the final were poor and so was his showing in the final. a no show. Selling his first choice RB and replacing him with no one is baffling.

 

[pablo73]

It worries me a bit that Poch seems to think we're conceding a lot more chances due to pschological reasons. I'd suggest that not having at least one defensive minded anchor in midfield as we always used to do (and often had two) is a much bigger factor. The fact that we barely seem to press teams anymore is surely another major factor.

 

[Nicki78]

It worries me a bit that Poch seems to think we're conceding a lot more chances due to pschological reasons. I'd suggest that not having at least one defensive minded anchor in midfield as we always used to do (and often had two) is a much bigger factor. The fact that we barely seem to press teams anymore is surely another major factor.

Genuine question but who is the player on the pitch who is most vocal/ shouting out orders/ calming everyone down? I feel like I don’t really see anyone really taking charge on the pitch.

 

[Spursy2j]

theres nothing from the manager or any of the players.

 

[pablo73]

Genuine question but who is the player on the pitch who is most vocal/ shouting out orders/ calming everyone down? I feel like I don’t really see anyone really taking charge on the pitch.

That's true but it's not like we've lost any really vocal leaders in the past 2-3 years yet we've gone from conceding the least amount of chances in the league to one of the highest

 

[Westmorlandspur]

That's true but it's not like we've lost any really vocal leaders in the past 2-3 years yet we've gone from conceding the least amount of chances in the league to one of the highest

Time for Eric Dier to return. Push winks to the right.....if Eriksen is going to play like that he won’t be missed

 

[Primativ]

I said on another spurs forum two or three season ago that I had a feeling this team would win nothing..(think it was when we lost to Chelsea in the FA Cup semi)..and the cycle will come to an end without ever doing so. I was shouted down, but unfortunately it’s come to reality.

Clubs don’t continually get more chances to win things with a certain group of players. We wasted too many chances under Poch over the last five years, we simply had to win something and we constantly blew it, and this team is clearly on the decline now.

It’s not all doom and gloom but i don’t see this team as one with the ability to win any major trophies this season. Our defence is all over the shop. We have a squad of very talented players but Poch isn’t getting a tune out of them and hasn’t for a while.

I don’t see how we will suddenly turn it around and have a watertight defence this season, it doesn’t just switch on overnight. We’ve been leaky for a long while.

I am worried for Poch’s future. A defeat on Saturday will be a disaster and increase the pressure further. Let’s hope we get a performance and three points.

I’ve lost a lot of enthusiasm for Spurs this season.
I don’t know if it’s a hangover from the CL final, perhaps, but I just think it’s more the way we’ve been playing for a year now. We just look like a team going through the motions and it’s a million miles away from the feeling we had three seasons ago when it felt we were on the verge of something special.

It does look like the squad have tired of Pochs voice.

I don’t know if I am alone about this feeling of less enthusiasm with Spurs than I’ve had since Poch took over? New stadium offered a lot of excitement but that’s worn off now, we’re finally in the stadium yet now it feels like an anticlimax based on the way the team is playing.

 

[McFlash]

I don't know about having any less enthusiasm but this season it reminding me of the good old days, in the sense that it started with such excitement, only to turn dire pretty quickly.
My expectations were probably higher, understandably so, with the CL final and some decent investment, not to mention the stadium.
But, I'm still as hopelessly enthusiastic as I was during the 90's and 00's. I'll never learn!