The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[spursfan77]

Surely Poch showing a sign of humility and actually listening to the players and working with a formation that is proven and comfortable with the current players would carry some weight in looking rebuild bridges with those he's fallen out with?

An ounce of self awareness would be a good wake up call for everyone. At the end of the day, those running their contracts down (notably Toby/Jan) are being themselves no favours in appealing to possible suitors by getting pumped by letting in 7. That's surely just a warning to any top club that they are potentially finished

If he was capable of showing humility then he would have apologised to the fans? But he didn’t last week after Colchester and hasn’t after Tuesday.

He does tend to disappear up his own arse. I see arrogance as a good trait but not on its own.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think if Poch does change the system, not only will that contribute to improved performance, but also player morale... Both going hand in hand.

He's beating a dead dog at the moment, and whether he changes this or not will probably determine his long term future at the Club.

Hoping he does.

 

[dondo]

He NEEDS to LISTEN to what his players are saying! If he doesn’t, then let’s pray. They want the system changed. It is so evident now ?

Dangerous way to go. If he backs down what happens the next time the players don’t like something?
I’m all for ditching the diamond but poch has to scrap it if he wants too not because the players want too

 

[spursfan77]

Hi Seb! Sounds like he’s cobbled this off of posts on here.

Pochettino's pressure: why it's likely to get worse for Tottenham before it gets better

This could be the beginning of the end for Mauricio Pochettino at Tottenham Hotspur. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around, but it does mean he has been complicit in what has happened so far

www.fourfourtwo.com

 

[Hakkz]

Hi Seb! Sounds like he’s cobbled this off of posts on here.

Pochettino's pressure: why it's likely to get worse for Tottenham before it gets better

This could be the beginning of the end for Mauricio Pochettino at Tottenham Hotspur. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around, but it does mean he has been complicit in what has happened so far

www.fourfourtwo.com

Not surprised in the slightest if he's sneaking around in here.

 

[spursfan77]

Daily Mail also briefed his job is safe. ??

Mauricio Pochettino seeking exit but Tottenham won't sack £32m boss

EXCLUSIVE BY SAMI MOKBEL AND MATT HUGHES: Sources have told Sportsmail that the Argentine has become noticeably distant at the club's training centre since returning this summer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ValenciaYid]

The ability to adapt in anything is key to survival....

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The ability to adapt in anything is key to survival....

I’ll always remember Hoddle claiming that he was about to ditch 352 and go 442.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[dudu]

If it was failing as spectacularly at Liverpool or City, u think Pep or Klopp would persevere with it?
It's not that hard to understand.

The year is 2017, Liverpool start the season poorly, winning just 3 of their first 9, losing 5-0 to Man City, 4-1 to us and sit in 9th place.

He played exactly the same formation then as he is now.

I'm not advocating the diamond, but yes, Klopp would and has persevered with a formation that was getting him battered, spectacularly.

 

[Primativ]

Will it be alright if we win the next 2 and lose by 3 or 4 to Liverpool?

Of course not.

 

[spursfan77]

The year is 2017, Liverpool start the season poorly, winning just 3 of their first 9, losing 5-0 to Man City, 4-1 to us and sit in 9th place.

He played exactly the same formation then as he is now.

I'm not advocating the diamond, but yes, Klopp would and has persevered with a formation that was getting him battered, spectacularly.

That’s not exactly true. We beat them 4 nil and the papers tore into him for playing his fullbacks too high. I remember that game, they were like a set of wingers outside their front three.

Klopp listened to that, looked at his team and made the fullbacks not sit so high. Their form then changed.

 

[markiespurs]

I don't think they wanted to run out of steam last night. The will was there but players were dead on their feet.

Not surprising when most of those players played for over 60 minutes against 11 men only a couple of days before.

 

[philll]

Daily Mail also briefed his job is safe. ??

Mauricio Pochettino seeking exit but Tottenham won't sack £32m boss

EXCLUSIVE BY SAMI MOKBEL AND MATT HUGHES: Sources have told Sportsmail that the Argentine has become noticeably distant at the club's training centre since returning this summer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If his job is safe but he doesn't want it anymore that's not a ? scenario for me.

 

[rossdapep]

The year is 2017, Liverpool start the season poorly, winning just 3 of their first 9, losing 5-0 to Man City, 4-1 to us and sit in 9th place.

He played exactly the same formation then as he is now.

I'm not advocating the diamond, but yes, Klopp would and has persevered with a formation that was getting him battered, spectacularly.

It wasn't so much the formation, it was the relentless press that was causing them problems. Plus they had an inadequate gk and lovren.

Klopp altered the press and made his team do it relentlessly in the opening 10-15 mins of each half to take the burden off and then adopt a low/mid press later in games.

If you remember they were going 2 or 3 up in games and then throwing it away after the 60 min mark. Or they failed to score in the 60 and got sucker punched.

It was never about the formation but the tiredness of players (and poor players)

We have tired players but I doubt even if we were too slow things down it would pick up as it's all about players having to cover so much space rather than pressing or energy reserving

 

[danielneeds]

Dangerous way to go. If he backs down what happens the next time the players don’t like something?
I’m all for ditching the diamond but poch has to scrap it if he wants too not because the players want too

I don’t think it’s weakness to listen to senior players. It’s not like they have been playing this system for a handful of games. It’s been over nine months and it’s clearly not working.

 

[dudu]

That’s not exactly true. We beat them 4 nil and the papers tore into him for playing his fullbacks too high. I remember that game, they were like a set of wingers outside their front three.

Klopp listened to that, looked at his team and made them not push on so much. Their form then changed.

They were battered 5/6 weeks before that 5-0 by Man City playing the same way and after playing us they had been on a run of 6 points from a possible 18.

Their form did change, but it certainly took a decent amount of time.

If you look at their form from Jan 2017 to October 2017

P28 W12 D10 L6

 

[dudu]

It wasn't so much the formation, it was the relentless press that was causing them problems. Plus they had an inadequate gk and lovren.

Klopp altered the press and made his team do it relentlessly in the opening 10-15 mins of each half to take the burden off and then adopt a low/mid press later in games.

If you remember they were going 2 or 3 up in games and then throwing it away after the 60 min mark. Or they failed to score in the 60 and got sucker punched.

It was never about the formation but the tiredness of players (and poor players)

We have tired players but I doubt even if we were too slow things down it would pick up as it's all about players having to cover so much space rather than pressing or energy reserving

The question was would Klopp persist with something that didn't work.

The answer was yes, he did, for a while. Until he changed it.

I'm not advocating for the diamond. I want Poch to change it.

 

[JimmyG2]

Of course not.

Well, you say that
but let's haggle a little here.
Win the next 2 agreed
Lose to Liverpool by 1 or 2
and play well.

Deal?

 

[Gb160]

I'm not advocating the diamond, but yes, Klopp would and has persevered with a formation that was getting him battered, spectacularly.

He obviously saw signs that his players were buying into it though, our players are publicly criticising Poch for persisting with it.

 

[Mr Pink]

The thing I really don't understand is that it should never of got this far.

Why has Poch persisted with something that all the players and fans can see that isn't right, for so long.

You have to be able to step back and evaluate objectively sometimes, and for some reason Poch hasn't done this - yet.

But worrying it's come to this and it still remains to be seen if he will change it.

Personally, I think this Saturday will tell us everything. How we set up and the performance even more important than the result if we're looking ahead at the long term.