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BringBack_leGin

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If Levy has been targeting these so called motivational managers he hasn't been to good at it has he. we haven't one a thing . I agree Poch has probably been the best but even he can't win anything in nearly six years and with what "some" people say is our best squad ever. If it's not Levy and it's not Poch or his predecessors and it's not the players where does the blame for our lack of success lay?
I said he targeted managers who specifically were known for their work with young players. And he must have been pretty good at it considering we’d never finished top 6 in the premier league era pre Levy, but since 2005/6 we’ve finished 5th, 5th, 11th, 9th, 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and 4th most recently.

The evidence of their work at previous clubs for every manager post Hoddle was that they could build sides greater than the sum of their parts by improving young footballers. Ramos, AVB, Santini, Jol, and actually even Redknapp based on his West Ham says (not to mention his success with younger or unproven players at Spurs). Obviously Pochettino. I’m not saying these were all correct choices, it turns out that of those, only Jol, Redknapp and Pochettino (who between them have managed 12 of the past 15 seasons) were ‘right’, but at the end of the day you can’t argue with a) the progress we’ve made and b) the type of manager being identified.
 

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Levy did not luck out. Levy has targeted managers with a background in motivated talented young squads from the moment he became chairman, Redknapp aside. Some of these have failed but some have been successful. Each successful manager has outdone the last successful manager. Pochettino, with some good timing, has been the most successful, but he was hired in line with an ethos which our owners have been purveying for near 19 years. That’s not luck, it’s method. If anything, Pochettino is the one who was lucky enough to come in at a time that the core players already in place were very high quality, but also at the point that Harry Kane broke through.

I agree. I also think Levy get too little credit for the squad he has gathered with the sixth highest budget. Much talk of miracle work by Poch but he also has had a great squad.

Media dosen´t acknowledge Levys work, they are on Pochs side, even now when he are underperforming.

In that perspective the comments made by Poch before the CL final add to the consensus that he is the miracle worker. I think that was illoyal to Levy.
 

wrd

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I agree. I also think Levy get too little credit for the squad he has gathered with the sixth highest budget. Much talk of miracle work by Poch but he also has had a great squad.

Media dosen´t acknowledge Levys work, they are on Pochs side, even now when he are underperforming.

In that perspective the comments made by Poch before the CL final add to the consensus that he is the miracle worker. I think that was illoyal to Levy.

How have you come to that conclusion, he was a miracle worker in terms of the stature of Spurs relative to the rest of the European big clubs, nothing about saying that is a dig at Levy, if you had looked at the teams at the start of the competition you wouldn't have put us in the semi finals let alone final. He wasn't suggesting it was despite of Levy, he was saying it in terms of the stature of the other clubs.
 

spursfan77

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I said he targeted managers who specifically were known for their work with young players. And he must have been pretty good at it considering we’d never finished top 6 in the premier league era pre Levy, but since 2005/6 we’ve finished 5th, 5th, 11th, 9th, 4th, 5th, 4th, 5th, 6th, 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and 4th most recently.

The evidence of their work at previous clubs for every manager post Hoddle was that they could build sides greater than the sum of their parts by improving young footballers. Ramos, AVB, Santini, Jol, and actually even Redknapp based on his West Ham says (not to mention his success with younger or unproven players at Spurs). Obviously Pochettino. I’m not saying these were all correct choices, it turns out that of those, only Jol, Redknapp and Pochettino (who between them have managed 12 of the past 15 seasons) were ‘right’, but at the end of the day you can’t argue with a) the progress we’ve made and b) the type of manager being identified.

When you look at those placings (I know each season has a different set of circumstances) but we really should be the kind of club that is appointing a manager who has a pedigree of getting his teams over the line and winning championships. No more project managers, they arent going to do it. We need a big, proven winner now. Nothing else will do if we want to be as big a club as we all want us to be.
 

BringBack_leGin

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When you look at those placings (I know each season has a different set of circumstances) but we really should be the kind of club that is appointing a manager who has a pedigree of getting his teams over the line and winning championships. No more project managers, they arent going to do it. We need a big, proven winner now. Nothing else will do if we want to be as big a club as we all want us to be.
Yes, but there’s a finite amount who have the pedigree, are willing to work financially sustainably, are happy to make use of the academy and facilities we’ve invested everything in, are currently available and don’t have a more attractive option than Spurs.

We’re a long way away from being chosen over Utd and Madrid.
 

spursfan77

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Yes, but there’s a finite amount who have the pedigree, are willing to work financially sustainably, are happy to make use of the academy and facilities we’ve invested everything in, are currently available and don’t have a more attractive option than Spurs.

We’re a long way away from being chosen over Utd and Madrid.

Of course. But we arent a million miles away. We are a very attractive proposition to 90% of managers out there.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Of course. But we arent a million miles away. We are a very attractive proposition to 90% of managers out there.
More than 90% even, but most of those lack what we need.

If you Venn Diagrammed suitable managers to willing managers, you’d have to squint to see the overlap.

I agree there’s no point replacing Pochettino with anyone who isn’t a proven winner, but it has to be the right proven winner too. As such, until one is available, Pochettino should have the chance to get us to the next level as he oversaw the last leap.
 

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At my new dentist for the first time today on a road called Christian Close.

Reminded me just how bad it has been for us in the past.
 

gavspur

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I think the whole system at our club needs to be looked at again. And maybe possibly Poch has been given too much say in all things. The Youth teams and development seem to have stagnated - which is key to our future. The transfer policy and recruitment has been somewhat lacking - apart from the summer purchases although they again could have been brought in earlier, Ndombele aside.. The scouting is obv an issue, what’s the point having a scout recommend players if the manager has the ‘I ONLY want De Jong’ kind of attitude?.. Poch doesn’t have a great track record with picking players, in fact I’d say Levy has spotted much more successful transfers..If Poch has de-notes himself back to coach, then we should be listening more to the scout, and try a DOF again.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Levy lucked out in hiring Pochettino, if he walks away now ( Levy will not sack him and Poch will not kick up a Mourinho style stink that Levy has no choice but to sack him) where do we find the next young dynamic manager with the energy and enthusiasm to reinvigorate the squad.

Basically where do we find the next Pochettino

This is the crux of it for me.

We had been looking for a manager that improves players, gets the team performing more than the sum of it's parts and the club punching above it's weight. Poch has consistently done this while he has been in charge and far exceeded the performance of any previous manager.

It just doesn't make sense to me why there is such a clamour to sack him at the first sign of trouble when no other manager has been able to do what he has done. It's been written many times that squad rebuilds are one of the most difficult jobs for a manager to undertake but surely knowing what Poch is capable of he deserves a chance of getting this right? Many of our new signings and key players are with the club purely because of the impact the manager has made in world football. Do we really want to be so hasty to jeopardise our position in that respect? Sack him and get the next appointment wrong and we could quite easily fall down in the abyss with Man Utd.

And my points have nothing to do with sentiment. It's just recognising the ability Poch possess and has demonstrating during his tenure with us and contextualising that against the difficulty of a squad rebuild. It simply makes no sense to throw the manager under the bus so readily.
 

wrd

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We is fooooked

Jesus christ Poch. 3 first XI players will be signing pre contracts in January, ffs


I believe I read he said if its up to him then he wouldn't. Makes me think he's trying to say he wants to keep the players he has (which we know isn't the case) but they want to leave in Jan, so if it were up to him they'd stay but as they want to leave we will end up replacing them.
 

JonnySpurs

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It's clearly an attempt to build bridges with some of the players in the current squad and that's fair enough. Also clearly he can't say the opposite but something in between would've been fine and let the fans know that he's not completely ignorant about our current situation.

"January is an opportunity to strengthen so I'm sure we will be looking to see if we can do something to get better".

It's not difficult.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Jesus Christ what do you lot want from him in the midst of a bad run.

“Yeah, my players are mostly shit, even the new ones who cost a fuck tonne of money, so I’m buying a whole new team in January and this lot can be bought out of the bank of my Rolls at Barnet Spires car boot sale on January 13th”.

You big babies.
 
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