The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[EastLondonYid]

The problem with that as I see it is that "this season's mess" is laregly of his own making, going all the way back to his comments in the run up to the CL final and then his talk of a complete overhaul that didn't need doing.

If the board are on the same page as him then we might as well sell Kane and Son next summer and go back to square one. The two c.£60m signings made to fix the only glaring weakness in the squad rather suggest that they were more interested in taking the next/final step this season though.

Poch works with the players everyday on the training ground plus matchdays, as our coach it will be down to him to decide who he wants.
Poch made it very clear that he wanted a clear out for reasons he hasn't made public.A painful one was his quote.
Looking at the performances of the players that were rumoured to be on his clear out list and are still here, then Poch was right wanting a complete overhaul, Rose Eriksen,Aurier, have been complete pants ,even Jan and Toby have been way off , these are those players.
Levy is in charge of getting them out , and thus getting in repalcements, he failed, so who is really to blame is upfor discussion.

However , i do agree Poch has since made loads of errors in selections and tactics.

 

[Glenn&Chris]

The Spurs crowd have definitely not turned yet. The away support at Brighton even after that debacle did not turn on him. Spurs fans who actually go to the game have been incredibly patient. But how long will this continue? Lose badly next Sunday and things will turn I think, but do you know what? Personally I think Levy will be in the firing line as well.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Poisonous Just need to make a new cuppa after reading that.

Which part of the Emirates do you sit in, like?

 

[Shadydan]

I agree with what your saying, but i answered why he should have more time .

Whats the point of giving him the few players he desperately needs if he's not gonna play them?

 

[Fidget]

He’s magic you know

Ho, ho, ho

 

[EastLondonYid]

Which puts him level with Avram Grant and one below Roberto Di Matteo in terms of managerial achievement.

I'm being facetious, getting to the final was brilliant. But, a swallow does not make a summer. Results taken as whole, Poch was on upward trend with us until 2017 and he has been on a downward trend since. And that downward trend is now spiralling out of control.

Its not a swallow when its 4 out of 5 seasons.....a swallow is 1 out of 5

Plus do not compare us and the rentboys with all their dirty money, especially back then when it was really uneven.

 

[therhinospeaks]

Which part of the Emirates do you sit in, like?

Usually block 21

 

[EastLondonYid]

Whats the point of giving him the few players he desperately needs if he's not gonna play them?

I agree Ndombele should have played yesterday....Sess and GLC have been injured.

 

[thelak]

I think the fans will be patient with Poch if he changes things

stop playing the guys that have failed all season / don’t want to be here

play the now fit players that you signed in the summer

stop changing tactics every game

if he had played the same team or close to it that beat red star and we had lost most would have accepted it - it’s seeing Rose and Eriksen stink out the place every week, Serge a brain fart away from a penalty (who scouted a Rb that panics every time he is in his own box?!) and Ndombele and Lo Celso on the bench that is losing the goodwill

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Its not a swallow when its 4 out of 5 seasons.....a swallow is 1 out of 5

Plus do not compare us and the rentboys with all their dirty money, especially back then when it was really uneven.

Yes, he's clearly a cut above the two jokers I mentioned. But it demonstrates a good cup run can happen to anyone, and it shouldn't distract from what's going on on a week-by-week basis in the league.

My real point is that Poch's results have been on a downward trend for over two years now. Finishing 2nd (our peak under him) in 2016-17 is a world away from our current shitshow despite having a largely comparable squad of players. The start to this season is not an out-of-the-blue anomaly, we've been slowly getting worse for a while. It's just accelerated recently.

 

[ernie78]

My real point is that Poch's results have been on a downward trend for over two years now. Finishing 2nd (our peak under him) in 2016-17 is a world away from our current shitshow despite having a largely comparable squad of players. The start to this season is not an out-of-the-blue anomaly, we've been slowly getting worse for a while. It's just accelerated recently.

This. This. This!!! Anyone still kidding themselves that this is a blip needs to take their head out their arse

 

[Darth Vega]

I think the fans will be patient with Poch if he changes things

stop playing the guys that have failed all season / don’t want to be here

play the now fit players that you signed in the summer

stop changing tactics every game

if he had played the same team or close to it that beat red star and we had lost most would have accepted it - it’s seeing Rose and Eriksen stink out the place every week, Serge a brain fart away from a penalty (who scouted a Rb that panics every time he is in his own box?!) and Ndombele and Lo Celso on the bench that is losing the goodwill

I agree, but the problem is he isn't/hasn't consistently this season. How much longer do we give him to prove he's no longer stubborn? Maybe he change the team on the weekend to the one we all want, we play and we win, then the following week he reverts to type. At what point do we pull the trigger?

For my money, yesterday was the final nail in the coffin. As soon as the team was announced it told me all I needed to know.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Yes, he's clearly a cut above the two jokers I mentioned. But it demonstrates a good cup run can happen to anyone, and it shouldn't distract from what's going on on a week-by-week basis in the league.

My real point is that Poch's results have been on a downward trend for over two years now. Finishing 2nd (our peak under him) in 2016-17 is a world away from our current shitshow despite having a largely comparable squad of players. The start to this season is not an out-of-the-blue anomaly, we've been slowly getting worse for a while. It's just accelerated recently.

And is why he wanted a complete overhaul , which he never really got.

You don't throw away four good seasons on the back of one bad.

Last season was poor towards the end, but we still finished 4th and a CL final
When Poch goes we must have no regrets, no ''did we really back him"
No ..."Would he have pulled it round" after he got rid of the shit he wants out.

I just think he has earnt that .

 

[Time for Heroes]

And is why he wanted a complete overhaul , which he never really got.

You don't throw away four good seasons on the back of one bad.

Last season was poor towards the end, but we still finished 4th and a CL final
When Poch goes we must have no regrets, no ''did we really back him"
No ..."Would he have pulled it round" after he got rid of the shit he wants out.

I just think he has earnt that .

This argument doesn't make sense because HE continues to select the players that are the bad eggs, and they continue to play like they don't give a shit.

Poch is to blame because he selects the team.

 

[Mr Pink]

We've been performing at mid-table level for the whole of this calendar year and that unfortunately is a fact. Level on points with West Ham in the last 28 games and behind the likes of Palace and Wolves. Everton & Burnley have only picked up one less point than us in that time and Newcastle only two less. Anyone who thinks that isn't alarming needs to wake up:

Premier League - Annual table

This statistic shows the calendar year table 2019 in the Premier League. It calculates all points won by the teams between January 1st and December 31st.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Said it until I'm blue in the face, that's the context Levy should be looking at.

It's horrific.

 

[Fidget]

I make you right, and this is where the milk might start to turn a little sour for Levy.
He'll still want to charge top dollar for tickets, I can see some of our big players wanting out, and I don't think that'll go down well with our match going fans.

Red Star wasn't a sell out last week, partly to do with the pricing, partly the way we've performed of late...imagine that in the Europa League against FC Bogov with an apprentice manager.

Yeah you see losing top players eventually is normal cycle for a top club but you don’t worry so much when you’ve been signing top quality replacements for them, so having continuity.

 

[EastLondonYid]

This argument doesn't make sense because HE continues to select the players that are the bad eggs, and they continue to play like they don't give a shit.

Poch is to blame because he selects the team.

He wouldn't have had too play them if Levy had got rid of them. He is stuck with at least FIVE he wants out.

Its not one or two that you can just ditch, or do you want Poch to stop rotating and then the injuries start piling up.

Lamela and Sess were unavailble and GLC has just returned.

If you read all my posts, i don't not blame Poch , i'm not blindly backing him, he is making bad errors/

I just think we should back him and if he fails then we will have no regrets.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

Silence from JJ is telling me nothing is stirring yet.

I’m worried he’ll come on here and say that Poch has full support of board. Would make them blind to our decline over past year.

 

[dudu]

I actually was taken aback by the backing he got on Tuesday night. Very surprised.

Why?

 

[Glenn&Chris]

Every Spurs fan I know was astonished with that line up yesterday. Playing Winks ahead of Ndombele is bonkers. Rose ahead of Davies whilst I am not his biggest fan but after his performance on Tues again is baffling. I think Poch's stubbornness will eventually be his downfall.

This form is not anything new and has been going on since the turn of the year and it's mainly down to wrong starting line ups, poor tactics and bizarre substitutions.

Yes the match going fans are still behind him but this could change very quickly.