The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[VancouverSpur]

I am all for positivity and backing the manager based on what we have witnessed over the last 5 years or so with Poch. However it comes down to our individual mentality and romanticism vs reality. For me Poch is done, finished, Kaput, over and that is not said lightly but actually with a lot of sadness. But it's based on reality of our performances not just a few games here or there but consistently for the last 10 months or so. Poch isn't learning from his mistakes in terms of selection and he is not proactive when it comes to in game management. So he is stubborn and believes in his methods and that is his right but it will mean the end of his tenure.

The genie is out the bottle and the magic has gone. This happens time and time again at football clubs and theres only ever one outcome. My view on Poch is not the most popular as I truly believe he benefited from exquisite timing and inherited a core of players that were very good and a striker in Kane that comes round once every generation if not even longer. The fact that we have not won anything over the last 5 years is a fucking travesty of epic proportions. Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed the ride as much as the next man but we should have won something even if was the league cup.

I am not in the football is about top 4 and look at our facilities and stadium camp. Yes that is nice but the things I remember the most are the trophies we won. 1991 still burns bright for me and so does the league cup win in 2008. When I am on my death bed looking back I am not going to be saying "yes but we built a lovely stadium and finished 4th a lot". Life is too short to not enjoy every moment we can and let the major moments carry us through on a wave of positivity.

Timing is everything in football as in life and right now there are a few top managers available that could do a very very good job for Spurs. Levy should rip the bandaid and let the healing begin.

Dr.Mourinho or Nurse Allegri will see you now.

 

[DelBoyN17]

Brilliant post. The mentality of some of our fans needs to change, I said this to friends after the CL final. It just seemed like we was just happy to be there and the lack of expectation at times astonishes me. We have the most expensive tickets in the land, the best stadium and training facilities etc etc. Too many Spurs fans keep referring to the 90's where we were the epitome of mid table, but the truth is we have been regular top 6 for 15 years now. Before I would say 1992/3 we were also one of the big boys. In the 80's regular trophies and European football. Certainly the glamour club of London with the highest crowds in the capital regularly.

We aren't a rags to riches story we are massive club with a great history and this should come with it's own pressures. There is no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for the top honors and winning trophies as we have done in our illustrious history.

All this happy to be there rubbish and "it wasnt as bad as the 90's" needs to be stop.

To Dare Is To Do and all that.

Absolutely spot on !!!!

 

[spurs mental]

Sorry just posted this in Dele thread, but wtf is this shape supposed to be ? View attachment 57389

3-3-2-1-1

Otherwise known as: let's all just follow the ball wherever it goes.

 

[panoma]

Anyone else worried we might find ourself in a relegation scrap?
We avaraged a point a game for 22 matches now putting us right in the mix. In addition we seem in more turmoil now than previous during the same period.

Big clubs has fallen from the top into the championship previously.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Sorry just posted this in Dele thread, but wtf is this shape supposed to be ? View attachment 57389

Have to say I’m surprised as it seemed Sissoko & eriksen spent the whole time out on the right side helping aurier.

 

[freeeki]

Anyone else worried we might find ourself in a relegation scrap?
We avaraged a point a game for 22 matches now putting us right in the mix. In addition we seem in more turmoil now than previous during the same period.

Big clubs has fallen from the top into the championship previously.

Everyone seems to think it's beyond the realms of reality, but it isn't, at all.

Some, however, won't stop backing Poch until we're in the midst of a relegation fight which no decent manager in their right mind is going to want to inherit.

If we want to replace Poch (and he 100% needs replacing in the foreseeable future), we need to do it before the rot sinks too deep. The calibre of managers we should be looking at have no desire to take over sinking ships.

Poch has had ample opportunity to turn this around, and thus far has shown zero glimmer of doing so. Every week we give him more time, we put ourselves in a more perilous position.

 

[Stamford]

Brilliant post. The mentality of some of our fans needs to change, I said this to friends after the CL final. It just seemed like we was just happy to be there and the lack of expectation at times astonishes me. We have the most expensive tickets in the land, the best stadium and training facilities etc etc. Too many Spurs fans keep referring to the 90's where we were the epitome of mid table, but the truth is we have been regular top 6 for 15 years now. Before I would say 1992/3 we were also one of the big boys. In the 80's regular trophies and European football. Certainly the glamour club of London with the highest crowds in the capital regularly.

We aren't a rags to riches story we are massive club with a great history and this should come with it's own pressures. There is no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for the top honors and winning trophies as we have done in our illustrious history.

All this happy to be there rubbish and "it wasnt as bad as the 90's" needs to be stop.

To Dare Is To Do and all that.

The best post so far, well done sir. Some people speak like this is some low level club

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Anyone else worried we might find ourself in a relegation scrap?
We avaraged a point a game for 22 matches now putting us right in the mix. In addition we seem in more turmoil now than previous during the same period.

Big clubs has fallen from the top into the championship previously.

Mate.....

 

[coys200]

We won’t get relegated because firstly there’s definitely 3 worse teams than us in the league. Second if it looked even remotely possible by Xmas Pochettino would be sacked and we’d get a bounce.

 

[Mr Pink]

Levy surely must be close to pulling the trigger now.

How long does this need to go on for.

And its the state of our football.

Nevermind City and Liverpool. Chelsea and Leicester are playing far better football.

Where's Lampards bedding in time, and the gelling time his young side needs?

Chelsea are 'rebuilding' and look electric.

The truth is we don't play with energy and intensity anymore, it's stale and predictable.

 

[Thewobbler]

Anyone else worried we might find ourself in a relegation scrap?
We avaraged a point a game for 22 matches now putting us right in the mix. In addition we seem in more turmoil now than previous during the same period.

Big clubs has fallen from the top into the championship previously.

I know things seem desperate but we wont be getting relegated.

 

[spurs mental]

As if @EastLondonYid challenged me to a fight and then told me he’d find me because we disagree over Pochettino. Absolute head loss. We’re all Spurs fans at the end of the day.

Air your dirty laundry somewhere else. Nobody gives a toss about an argument you've had on an internet forum.

 

[VegasII]

Sorry just posted this in Dele thread, but wtf is this shape supposed to be ? View attachment 57389

Jaff splatter?

 

[Glenn&Chris]

When is enough enough? 1 point a game in 2019 is awful. When will the tipping point be? Surely lose at Everton and most fans would agree it’s time for a change, currently its 50/50 and wenger territory

 

[McFlash]

Yeah, long time supporter showing up right before the CL final. Sure, it's possible. I bet you it's happening on RAWK right now...and Blue Moon for the last 10 years...and The Shed End since about 2004.

Mate, he's as welcome in here as the next fan.
He may have only just discovered this site, or he might be Welsh and has only just discovered the Internet!
You shouldn't cast aspersions about someone you don't know.

 

[Mr Pink]

When is enough enough? 1 point a game in 2019 is awful. When will the tipping point be? Surely lose at Everton and most fans would agree it’s time for a change, currently its 50/50 and wenger territory

Speaking of Wenger, Poch is starting to remind me of him.

Stubbornness and won't change even when it's so obvious.

 

[yankspurs]

 

[spursfan77]

We won’t get relegated because firstly there’s definitely 3 worse teams than us in the league. Second if it looked even remotely possible by Xmas Pochettino would be sacked and we’d get a bounce.

And we’d spend some cash to get out of it. Maybe that’s Poch’s plan. Not to get sacked but to be so bad Levy has to invest. A stupidly risky strategy but at this point I’ve no real idea what he’s trying to achieve!

We’ve so many winnable games in November. It’s the perfect set of fixtures to turn it around. Or get himself sacked. Depending on how you look at it!

 

[McFlash]

[QUOTE="fishhhandaricecake, post: 656446
Shut up mate no need for bollocks posts like this, are you a secret gooner? Either way put a lid on it.

Jog on you mug......acting hard behind your pc.......
[/QUOTE]
Mate, give it a rest with this whole "I'm a better fan than you bollocks" and neg repping anyone and everyone.
It's rather childish and very boring.

 

[soflapaul]

My stance is, I want Poch to get it right pretty sharpish, as he is running almost on empty. And his privileges are disappearing rapidly. So to stick to my opening post. He needs to start playing GLC, RS. And he now NEEDS to start building his game around TN, who will never be a high energy player for 90 minutes, if you understand what I am saying. Play him where he is effective, and have workers around him.

The arguments on here are basically one side saying we're sure he cannot turn it around and others who think it is a possibility. And people seem to have absolute certainty that their opinion is right when in reality, nothing is written in stone. The problem with Poch is that from our outsider's view (and certainly a varying degree in intelligence and eloquence exist within this group) it is pretty easy to conclude is that he isn't learning from his mistakes. This isn't necessarily right but the evidence is approaching overwhelming. Figuring out that he has to change, takes a dose of humility and whether he has it in him, who knows.

The fastest way to right the ship is for Poch to finally "get it" and realize that many of his golden rules either no longer apply or are setting the club back in terms of results and at this point, continuing to lose the fans is worse than the results would be on the pitch. So my greatest hope is to see TND on the pitch until he runs out of gas. GLC in at min 45 or 60 and a full 90 within weeks. And RS getting at least 30 minutes for the next game and then a full 90 against Bayern. My personal guess, and i emphasize, guess, is that Poch was thinking the fastest way back for the club was for the regressed players (Eriksen, Dele) to play their way back into their former selves. That actually may have merit, but that doesn't excuse leaving them in when they have ineffective. Since the players do seem to support him still, i'm okay with him staying because they, of all people involved in the team, understand where the issues lie.

So as one of the unconvinced either way on SC, that game day line up is a good test of whether he is changing or not. And regardless of who is on the pitch or on the sidelines, i'll always bleed Spurs and never wish a poor outcome on the team. I hope we never devolve into AFTV. Regardless of whether someone is an In or Out, we all still want whats best for Spurs and just see the world differently. And anyone with an ounce of brains and a little humility knows in their heart of hearts, that at best, they are probably right.