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ajspurs

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Great - if Liverpool fans did not already have enough on their plate, now there will be new petitions:



Even without the dreaded inevitability of Liverpool fans having something else to moan about, I really don't like going in the direction of games being replayed due to stupid VAR mistakes. Think it's a really dangerous path to go down.
 

cwy21

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It's very very important to understand this isn't your standard VAR error. It was a Laws of the Game error that the VAR was one of the match officials who made it. Both teams encroached on a PK and the ref started with an IDFK to the defending team. The correct restart in that case would be to retake the PK.

Many of the cases of a match being replayed for an officiating error is due to an incorrect restart on a PK. It's one of the few factual decisions in the laws that refs have a habit of getting wrong on occasion.

If anything it opens up the issue with VAR and PK encroachment in general.
 
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cwy21

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This legitimately might be the most ridiculous var decision of the season. Not only that the VAR thought it was a clear and obvious red card but that the ref agreed.

Starts at 2:41

 

allatsea

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Even without the dreaded inevitability of Liverpool fans having something else to moan about, I really don't like going in the direction of games being replayed due to stupid VAR mistakes. Think it's a really dangerous path to go down.
We don't have games replayed because of stupid Refs mistakes so why VAR ?
 

spurs9

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Even without the dreaded inevitability of Liverpool fans having something else to moan about, I really don't like going in the direction of games being replayed due to stupid VAR mistakes. Think it's a really dangerous path to go down.
It's actually being replayed because of a "misapplication of one the laws of the game" not a VAR mistake.

The argument is, that VAR gave Anderlecht a free kick due to a Genk player being in the box (encroachment of the area), but as Anderlecht players were also doing the same, the letter of the law says it should be a penalty retake.

Very subjective IMO, as unless there is audio from VAR officials acknowledging the Anderlecht players in the box (and the fact the refereeing body declared it a VAR mistake would suggest not), then you can't know for sure which way the fault lies (not seeing or taking into account the Anderlecht players vs accounting for them in their ruling but applying the wrong outcome).

I do agree though, it sets a dangerous precedent, however it is apparently in the rules of the game in the event of misapplication of the law.

Luckily, the Liverpool incident wasn't a "misapplication of the laws of the game", it was a miscommunication.

From the below article:
"Belgium's refereeing body had initially ruled that the match would not be replayed as they regarded the incident as a VAR error rather than a misapplication of the laws of the game.

However, Genk appealed the decision to the Disciplinary Council for Professional Football who overturned the refereeing body's decision and ruled that the match should be replayed in full."

 

luRRka

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It's very very important to understand this isn't your standard VAR error. It was a Laws of the Game error that the VAR was one of the match officials who made it. Both teams encroached on a PK and the ref started with an IDFK to the defending team. The correct restart in that case would be to retake the PK.

Many of the cases of a match being replayed for an officiating error is due to an incorrect restart on a PK. It's one of the few factual decisions in the laws that refs have a habit of getting wrong on occasion.

If anything it opens up the issue with VAR and PK encroachment in general.
I Read this as "I Don't Fucking Know" and in the context of match officials, it still made sense :ROFLMAO:
 

Danners9

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So, scrolling beyond the error in the Forest-Newcastle game and the couple of instances where VAR can't get involved, and 'the ultimate modern VAR penalty' - urgh, what a phrase.... there is another where the article states:

Would Tierney have advised a penalty if he hadn't given the earlier spot kick? Perhaps it created a situation in his mind where he felt he had to give both due to the raised arms, but by the Premier League's interpretation of handball this shouldn't be given.

and then

Before this game, there had been only two VAR penalties for handball in the Premier League. This was an incorrect VAR intervention and should have been left on the field. It was a great opportunity for a referee to stand by his own decision at the monitor, for what would have been only the second time this season.

It's Luton vs Sheff Utd btw. The 2 penalties. The first one, the ultimate one, saw the ball strike Burke's outstretched arm - fine, if you like. But the second one was when the Sheff Utd player was facing away from the ball, going up for a header and hunching his shoulders in the collision, then the ball hits his arm and that's the pen.

But the passages i've highlighted show what is so wrong about all this and also why the idea of a blue card/sin bin won't work with this current set of refs/directives. If they are judging a situation based on a decision earlier in the game - and there are many incidents where that appears to be the case - then the bar becomes lower and lower. I can believe the first incident is a pen, we've seen that before, but the second one is not and the article shows two examples of where it hasn't been given.

Intervention has become interference.
 
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