The VAR Thread

dirtydave

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From what I’ve witnessed Liverpool should have conceded two penalties under VAR today for handballs, but the VAR gods only give those for Liverpool not against.
 

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From what I’ve witnessed Liverpool should have conceded two penalties under VAR today for handballs, but the VAR gods only give those for Liverpool not against.
No way the second one was. Not by our rules. Maybe in the champions League.

First definitely was and led to a possible two goal swing from one nil up to one down.

VAR still massively affecting games for the worse.
 

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No way the second one was. Not by our rules. Maybe in the champions League.

First definitely was and led to a possible two goal swing from one nil up to one down.

VAR still massively affecting games for the worse.
I think the fact that it didn't affect the game is the problem. It's not as if they overturned good decisions. If this game was played without VAR it would have been the exact same game, just without any delays.
 

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Any story that states "absolutely no bullshit" in it's first sentence is clearly very credible.
 

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It was noticeable that there was nothing shown for the offside. And a goal was very quickly awarded, and we only saw a line about 20 minutes later. also the same for the penalty claim. And the excuse they came up with for not giving the handball being too close and no reaction time was laughable.

Wouldn't surprise me if it was true in the slightest, but I can't see anyway city would keep schtum about it, they would be shouting it from every roof top to get a replay.
 
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I just can't see what it's adding to the game.

Big calls still looking questionable. Officials still making inconsistent decisions. Killing the suspense after a goal waiting for the review.

Nothing that it was here to replace has been improved IMHO.

A focus on a better standard of officiating would have made a far bigger, positive difference i feel.
 

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This thing is awful. The implementation of this farcical. Getting crucial decisions comically wrong routinely and ruining games. Either let the ref go to pitch side screens and discuss with the var official or throw this in the trash.
 

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I just can't see what it's adding to the game.

Big calls still looking questionable. Officials still making inconsistent decisions. Killing the suspense after a goal waiting for the review.

Nothing that it was here to replace has been improved IMHO.

A focus on a better standard of officiating would have made a far bigger, positive difference i feel.
I feel the officiating has gotten worse this year which is shocking considering how abysmal it was last season.
 

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Big game, talk of it potentially being a title decider, at a stadium where there are no screens to show replays... colour me shocked that VAR wasn't used in the same way as every other game so far this season.
 

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I'm highly sceptical but again, they're so fucking incompetent it wouldn't be that much of a shock if it was true.

If it is true, it's a bit weird because I feel like if there are technical issues they should just admit it and then openly play the game without VAR. it's the same for both teams so that in itself is not necessarily an issue. I suppose you could say it would be a farce if there's then a blatantly wrong decision that affects the title race, but let's be honest, even with bloody VAR they've managed to make a complete pigs ear of plenty of games anyway. It's the lying about it that's far worse than just not having VAR due to technical issues.
 

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My istinct was that salah was offside, i havent seen a replay of the goal but in real time it looked off.
 

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I've got a question / scenario. It's hypothetical, but based on yesterday's Trent Alexander Arnold handball incident and subsequent Liverpool goal 20 seconds later, which got me thinking.

We know that the threshold for handballs is lower where it leads to a goal as an attacker (i.e. if it hits your hand at all in the build up, it is disallowed) than it is to give away a penalty as a defender (has to be intent to handle the ball, or whatever the law is these days...).

So VAR took a look at that TAA handball yesterday and decided it wasn't a penalty. Fine. Liverpool then went straight up the other end and scored. Now in this instance, 20 seconds passed and that's fine, I'm not saying it should have been disallowed, but let's say Liverpool broke far quicker. Say 1 long ball over the top, then finished the 1 v 1 - it's feasible a goal could be scored less than 10 seconds, and only 1 or 2 passes after a handball appeal for a penalty. Although unlikely, this is a perfectly realistic possibility. We've seen goals disallowed for an offside in the build up which were 10 seconds before the goal (and VAR can only intervene where there is an offside in the direct build up to a goal), so we have to assume that a handball equally as far back would also be considered as during the build up to a goal.

In this instance then, would VAR look at the handball, decide it isn't enough for a penalty, but see it did hit his hand, so disallow the goal and then it would have to come back for a Man City penalty, even though they just decided it wasn't a penalty :ROFLMAO:

This isn't even a particularly far fetched scenario, but feels utterly ridiculous.
 

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I've got a question / scenario. It's hypothetical, but based on yesterday's Trent Alexander Arnold handball incident and subsequent Liverpool goal 20 seconds later, which got me thinking.

We know that the threshold for handballs is lower where it leads to a goal as an attacker (i.e. if it hits your hand at all in the build up, it is disallowed) than it is to give away a penalty as a defender (has to be intent to handle the ball, or whatever the law is these days...).

So VAR took a look at that TAA handball yesterday and decided it wasn't a penalty. Fine. Liverpool then went straight up the other end and scored. Now in this instance, 20 seconds passed and that's fine, I'm not saying it should have been disallowed, but let's say Liverpool broke far quicker. Say 1 long ball over the top, then finished the 1 v 1 - it's feasible a goal could be scored less than 10 seconds, and only 1 or 2 passes after a handball appeal for a penalty. Although unlikely, this is a perfectly realistic possibility. We've seen goals disallowed for an offside in the build up which were 10 seconds before the goal (and VAR can only intervene where there is an offside in the direct build up to a goal), so we have to assume that a handball equally as far back would also be considered as during the build up to a goal.

In this instance then, would VAR look at the handball, decide it isn't enough for a penalty, but see it did hit his hand, so disallow the goal and then it would have to come back for a Man City penalty, even though they just decided it wasn't a penalty :ROFLMAO:

This isn't even a particularly far fetched scenario, but feels utterly ridiculous.
Yeah that's part of the trouble with having these really vague laws like "in the build-up" because where do you draw the line at what is and isn't still the "build-up"? They've got really wishy-washy rules with lots of grey area but then they're trying to enforce it in a black-and-white fashion using VAR, which then can lead to some really bizarre situations like the one you've described.
 

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There was 2 handballs in that phase of play, the game should have been stopped at the very least.
 

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The handball by Silva only counts if City score as a result of it.
Well they would have been gaining an advantage unfairly if they would have gotten the penalty, I like to think common sense would prevail - the ref would have seen the incident during the VAR review and pulled back the incident and given a free kick to Liverpool.
 

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No way the second one was. Not by our rules. Maybe in the champions League.

First definitely was and led to a possible two goal swing from one nil up to one down.

VAR still massively affecting games for the worse.
It heavily goes to the quality of refs, no? Atkinsons and Mikedeans are crazy with or without VAR

Cakir and Bryh on the other hand benefit from VAR cause they use it properly
 
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