The VAR Thread

[chrissivad]

That's just a coming together.
West ham player moves more towards the defender imo. Neither have control of the ball

 

[aliyid]

Stumbled across this insightful twitter thread on VAR. Hard to believe that she’s a West Ham fan as but found myself engrossed by her writing style and insight.

 

[Marty]

Stumbled across this insightful twitter thread on VAR. Hard to believe that she’s a West Ham fan as but found myself engrossed by her writing style and insight.

That was excellently written, and really makes you think hard about the whole concept.

 

[wirE]

I'm all up for having the situation being reviewed on screen in the stadium and the talk between the referee and VAR-room being public. That way we all can see and hear and at least try to understand the verdict being made

Video Reviews Are Hated in Soccer. That’s Not the Case in Rugby.

In rugby, video reviews are almost universally supported and the resulting decisions widely accepted. That’s mainly because rugby has one of sports’ most transparent video replay processes.

www.wsj.com

 

[Riandor]

The problem yesterday is this STUPID idea that you have to wait for the ball to be in a "neutral" area of the field before the VAR decision can be implemented. I mean seriously WTF? So if we had scored, it would have to be chalked off and brought back, because only then would there be a "break in play". Moronic.

Much rather the correct decision is given ASAP and play halted and brought back. Doing it after 2mins is a catastrophe!!!

So much of football is as a result of the current scoreline, momentum, etc... It cannot take that long to call it back.

 

[Tucker]

The problem yesterday is this STUPID idea that you have to wait for the ball to be in a "neutral" area of the filed before the VAR decision can be implemented. I mean seriously WTF? So if we had scored, it would have to be chalked off and brought back, because only then would there be a "break in play". Moronic.

Much rather the correct decision is given ASAP and play halted and brought back. Doing it after 2mins is a catastrophe!!!

So much of football is as a result of the current scoreline, momentum, etc... It cannot take that long to call it back.

It’s being handled so badly by the FA and the Refs, but then given the standard of refereeing in this country, it’s hardly a surprise.

 

[John48]

Just taking to long. If they come to the right decisions fine, but they need to be quicker & I agree as soon as VAR decided it should have been a Pen they should have told the Ref & stop the game to go back for the Pen.

 

[chinaman]

Just taking to long. If they come to the right decisions fine, but they need to be quicker & I agree as soon as VAR decided it should have been a Pen they should have told the Ref & stop the game to go back for the Pen.

What's the use of having a referee if VAR can override and dictate to him what to do.

 

[Danny1]

VAR has rendered linesmen completely and utterly useless. Take our game against Man City, at one point one of our players went through and the linesmen flagged, Lucas, I think it was, kind of continued and screwed his shot across goal. However he was clearly onside, now if VAR can be used to rule goals out then surely if Lucas had put the ball in the back of the net then it would have been given?

If not, then linesmen should never flag for offside as it is a clear and obvious error every time they get it wrong, as per the game against City.

I’ve seen responses to a similar point with “if the ref blows then that’s final” but it’s not in every other sense of the game that VAR interferes with, if the ref blowing his whistle is final then a yellow card given is final, or a red, or a handball etc etc.

There are so many question marks about VAR that I don’t think they are anywhere near close to answering and until they do then it’s a monumental failure. Arsenal fans must have been watching our game and wondering how Sterling didn’t get sent off when Aubamayeng did for pretty much the same offence.

VAR should only ever be used for matter of fact calls, never subjective ones.

 

[spursfan77]

After watching the Debate last night I’m even more on the side of just getting rid of it.

It ruins celebrating goals in the stadium now. Players must hate it.

Also it works much better in the champions league. That tells me that we are handling it awfully because I think the officiating in European games is worse than in the PL on the whole.

 

[dagraham]

After watching the Debate last night I’m even more on the side of just getting rid of it.

It ruins celebrating goals in the stadium now. Players must hate it.

Also it works much better in the champions league. That tells me that we are handling it awfully because I think the officiating in European games is worse than in the PL on the whole.

When it was first introduced, someone said to me half jokingly that is what would happen. I scoffed at the idea, but they were right.

You can never stop reacting when a goal is scored, but my celebration now lasts just a few seconds before I think how the goal could be disallowed. That can’t be right or good for the game, even if it improves and stats show more correct decisions.

It was always a worry, but football is just not built for VAR like other sports.

I know it’s here to stay, but I hold out faint hope it will be scrapped just like I do for Spurs during the transfer window. And I would celebrate just the same if they ever consigned VAR to history.

 

[spursfan77]

When it was first introduced, someone said to me half jokingly that is what would happen. I scoffed at the idea, but they were right.

You can never stop reacting when a goal is scored, but my celebration now lasts just a few seconds before I think how the goal could be disallowed. That can’t be right or good for the game, even if it improves and stats show more correct decisions.

It was always a worry, but football is just not built for VAR like other sports.

I know it’s here to stay, but I hold out faint hope it will be scrapped just like I do for Spurs during the transfer window. And I would celebrate just the same if they ever consigned VAR to history.

I agree, it does when I remember. Wait till VAR has been in place a few years and the celebrations won't happen at all. The game will be completely sanitised. It will be the death of going to games.

 

[Tucker]

I don’t get this line of argument, goals have been chalked off since long before VAR got involved. It’s the way it’s being implemented that’s the issue, the time taken to overanalyse and the pretty clear incompetence (or worse, corruption) of the refs making the decisions at Stockley Park.

Clear and obvious errors should be able to be ruled on in less than a minute, anything else should be up to the match day referee.

 

[spursfan77]

 

[SlotBadger]

 

[JCRD]

I rea dthat yesterday and the first question that came to mind is what if its 11cm? you still have the problem of using lines which in itself means it isnt clear and obvious. If you gotta draw lines then it isnt clear and obvious or rather if the referee cant tell it is offside by using the video thingy then as far as im concerned it isnt offside.

 

[tototoner]

VARtastic game again tonight

 

[VegasII]

Armpit offsides?

I guess they can’t come out and say ‘bell end offsides’

 

[dirtyh]

Unfortunately it’s all down to the turd in the booth. Var should just be available for the ref to potentially correct his/her own mistake. No one else should be involved.

 

[nailsy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51431287

"It was a farcical VAR decision. The criteria is clear and obvious. It's not clear and obvious. Martin Atkinson stood up but his authority has been taken away.

"I told Martin at half-time I didn't blame him, but if he was brave enough to walk over to that monitor it takes 30 seconds, you go, 'No, I'm happy with my decision' and we play on.

"Instead we go into an environment where there's no feel for the game or what's happened and we make a decision. It was a sore result for us, it's a tough one to take"


I keep hearing these comments about the var team being in a different location and I can't see why it's an issue. The manager seems to be saying that he wants the decision in the stadium so that the crowd can influence those making the call. Surely it's better to have impartial decision makers who make the call based on what happened rather than the amount of noise the crowd are making.