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DanNolan

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coentrao is seen as maybe top 5 lb in world football, rose not even top 5 in the prem. Coentrao made his name in europe and in major competitions for portugal wheras rose made his name by holding his own for a relegation battling team. Thats where the differences are.
 

Sandros Shiny Head

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coentrao is seen as maybe top 5 lb in world football, rose not even top 5 in the prem. Coentrao made his name in europe and in major competitions for portugal wheras rose made his name by holding his own for a relegation battling team. Thats where the differences are.
I think 5th in the world is pushing it a bit since he's 3rd choice at Madrid
 

EJWTartanSpur

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What's all this Rose doesn't fit the system bollocks ?

If there's one part to Rosé that we don't need to worry about it, it's the part of him that's the ex winger, whereby he attacks space very aggressively, has a good turn of pace, and can beat a man. Okay, he's not the greatest FB in the league, but its absolute shit to say that the kind of FB he is is one that doesn't fit the system.

BAE is the all round more savvy defender but as an example he would be completely and utterly incapable of doing what Rose has done thus far this season, taking on men, getting to bylines to swing crosses in, winning a penalty etc etc
 

Sandros Shiny Head

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What's all this Rose doesn't fit the system bollocks ?

If there's one part to Rosé that we don't need to worry about it, it's the part of him that's the winger, whereby he attacks space very aggressively, has a good turn of pace, and can beat a man. Okay, he's not the greatest FB in the league, but its absolute shit to say that the kind of FB he is is one that doesn't fit the system.
Hence why he fits more than BAE
 

EJWTartanSpur

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The attitude towards some of our younger players absolutely stinks in some quarters, imo.

Rose is shit, Kane already written off, Walker being on his last chance etc etc.

Really pisses me off.
 

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The attitude towards some of our younger players absolutely stinks in some quarters, imo.

Rose is shit, Kane already written off, Walker being on his last chance etc etc.

Really pisses me off.

I personally really like Walker and dont rate Rose. Its a game of onions an all....
 

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Full apologies A&C, I've had a little too much red wine and had my feathers ruffled. Wrong time to hit out at some people's perceptions of our younger players
Meh, don't sweat it, it wasn't a pop at you more a general observation (y)
 

King of Otters

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coentrao is seen as maybe top 5 lb in world football, rose not even top 5 in the prem. Coentrao made his name in europe and in major competitions for portugal wheras rose made his name by holding his own for a relegation battling team. Thats where the differences are.


By who exactly? From what I've seen he's an average, at best, defender. He's spent the past few seasons as a bit part utility cover player and doesn't seem to be running too high on offers from top clubs considering he's obviously unwanted by Madrid.

I won't complain if Levy can bring him in at a fair price but I'd be just as happy with us bringing an experienced, solid, left back to compete with Rose who's shown himself worthy of a chance in the first team.
 

Bulletspur

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Was he very strong last season? Or just a breath of fresh air in a mediocre, struggling Sunderland side?

You can see why he was taken to up there, tenacious, heart on his sleeve, gets forward okay.

I just don't think he is or ever will be a top 4 quality LB.

Sorry.
But that's the point don't you see? He was playing for " Struggling Sunderland side" (Your words) against the best the EPL had to offer and did well. He did not have the benefit of good players then, to play with him like he now has.
 

Spurz

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I thought we already reach a consensus our scapegoat of this season is siggy... Has it changed to rose?
 

Bulletspur

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It's just about improving our first XI, the next weakest spot in my opinion and seemingly many others is left-back, not saying that Rose is a bad player or that his crossing/dribbling/positioning or whatever is dodgy, I just feel we have the capability to sign a player who is better.
Do you realise how condescending you sound?
 

coentrao

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By who exactly? From what I've seen he's an average, at best, defender. He's spent the past few seasons as a bit part utility cover player and doesn't seem to be running too high on offers from top clubs considering he's obviously unwanted by Madrid.

I won't complain if Levy can bring him in at a fair price but I'd be just as happy with us bringing an experienced, solid, left back to compete with Rose who's shown himself worthy of a chance in the first team.

I cant fathom how anyone could think he is average.

The reason more clubs are not in for him is because not many can afford to spend 17m on a left back. Look at Capoue, was about to join Cardiff.
 
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