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Who will be AVB's no1 pick in the holding role??

Who for the holding role?

  • Sandro

    Votes: 34 57.6%
  • Livermore

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Huddlestone

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Parker

    Votes: 23 39.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    59

DEFchenkOE

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Feb 13, 2006
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I think this position will be very important. I'm more specifically thinking about when he attempts to implement his 4-3-3. When he was at Porto he often used Fernando or Freddy Guarin in the middle of the midfield 3 and used Moutinho there a few times.

There are some very good defensive midfielders at the moment, the likes of Javi Martinez, Xabi Alonso, Pirlo, Carrick. For me though the best player currently in a 4-3-3 is Busquets, main reasons being:

+ His passing with either foot is near perfect
+ Able to play the short passing game or long/over the top
+ Has great awareness and usually knows where he's going to pass before receiving the ball
+ rarely gives the ball away even when receiving it from defenders with back to goal
+ tactically aware and knows how to cover the spaces left by a defender when they move forward
+ Very good awareness and positioning, able to nick the ball away without always resorting to slide tackles
+ Not that quick but quick enough to get around those nifty attacking midfielders he's opposing.
- Dives a lot and is a cheat (nobody is perfect though right?)

Anyway I've been thinking a lot about who Avb will use as his central defensive midfielder when he tries to play a 4-3-3 with Tottenham, Dembele is looking like he will be a guaranteed starter on the left of the central 3 and I guess Siggurdson might be on the right since we don't have too many other options. I know that Parker is out now but it will be interesting when fit to see who he opts for.

Sandro seems to be a lot of fans choice but I have some serious concerns about his sloppy passing and also seems to get caught in possession quite a bit. The more I see of him the more I start to think that he won't be suitable being the defensive hub of a midfield 3. Hope he can prove me wrong but he seems a bit more at home charging about the pitch rather than just being the 'water carrier'. I don't know I could be wrong but he seems more like a Gatusso type player to me, will give 100% but not the best on the ball so needs to play close to someone who is, a Modric for example. His slide tackles are usually on point though and I know the fans usually like that.

Livermore is not really a fans favorite it seems and is on the end of a lot of fans frustrations, seems cumbersome on the ball and not really able to make any effective passes. Defensively he seems to be a bit suspect and gives away a lot of silly freekicks. Avb has started him in every match I think so far so it will be interesting to see if he continues with him. Personally if we play a 4-3-3 with one defensive mid it will probably prove very costly if that one is JL.

Huddlestone Has good vision and able to play some amazing long passes, I can't back this up by any stats at all but from what I see his short passing game is not the best, it's very rare that I see Hudd pass and move but that could be down to his size and lack of mobility more than anything. If he had a bit more pace then I think he could work there but he can't really change that so I don't think he will be the man.

Parker
When fit he'd be my choice, for this season at least. His long passing range is limited but at least he's able to keep it simple and give it to the more creative players with minimum fuss. Some people get annoyed by his lack of invention in some of his passing but I prefer that he keeps it simple and just keeps the ball moving instead of giving the ball away cheaply. Also has the leadership skills which we seem to be lacking. I do have concerns about his fitness but hopefully he'll be able to get through the rest of the season after this injury.

Who would you play there? If the midfield would have been how avb wanted, I believe it would have been:

Dembele ?????? Moutinho
(LCM) (CDM) (RCM)
 

walworthyid

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Oct 25, 2004
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Parker for me. As you say he isn't creative but he likes to keep it simple. Excellent positioning and naturally defensive just what you need for that anchor position. As long as he has somebody creative near him he is great, as soon as he is forced to do more with the ball his limitations become obvious.

Sandro is immense but not composed enough yet to sit. He is a destroyer who can win the ball and charge forward. That is why he was subbed instead of Livermoore the other day. Avb sees Sandro as a box to box player rather than a sitter like Jake.

Parker, Dembele and Sandro would be quite good I think as I am very concerned that Gylfi just doesn't really have it to be honest.
 

Spurger King

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Jul 22, 2008
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If we had more options at the back I'd say Vertonghen would be a possibility too.

I like the idea of Parker, Dembele, and Sandro, but if we play both regularly it's going to increase the chances of one or the other getting injured. I really don't want us to have to rely on Livermore if we can help it.
 

THOWIG

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Feb 14, 2005
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Sandro, Parker and Dembele would be my three until January.

We need Walker and Assou Ekotto to start pushing higher up the pitch though.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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Given the personnel at the moment, and our frailty at the back its safety first for me and if I were AVB I would be playing Parker (holding), Sandro and Dembele.

Not sure who we would play on the right, I guess stick with Lennon until Dermpsey is fit enough to see how he would fair there.

A lot of onus on Dembele to be the creative force though.
 

panoma

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Jan 16, 2012
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Dunno why you even have Hudd and Jake in there, neither close to good enough atm.
 

shaqTHFC

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Before the season I was leaning towards Sandro, but I'm currently thinking Parker will be better for now. Scott is a tidier player than Sandro is (he played a lot of short passes and kept possession iirc last season with Modric) and I think Parker is more likely to play a better forward pass than Sandro is.

Sandro has drive and power, but Dembele can provide that but with a better attacking mind than Sandro. The three of them can play together if Sigurdsson doesn't step up soon though. In Jan, I really do hope we buy Moutinho and someone for the right forward role (unless Dempsey slots in there really well).
 

Spurger King

can't smile without glue
Jul 22, 2008
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Given the personnel at the moment, and our frailty at the back its safety first for me and if I were AVB I would be playing Parker (holding), Sandro and Dembele.

Not sure who we would play on the right, I guess stick with Lennon until Dermpsey is fit enough to see how he would fair there.

A lot of onus on Dembele to be the creative force though.

But there's only really Sig or Hudd in the squad that offer any creativity now. I've only really seen glimpses of quality from Sig and until he can perform more consistently I don't like the idea of him being a regular starter.
 

Mr Pink

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But there's only really Sig or Hudd in the squad that offer any creativity now. I've only really seen glimpses of quality from Sig and until he can perform more consistently I don't like the idea of him being a regular starter.

Yep, we are most definitely thin on the ground in this area now - a big oversight IMO, and perhaps for all the good that come with Levy's dealings in the transfer market - this is the downside, although maybe AVB did't push hard enough for cheaper alternatives.

Collectively, whatever way you cut it, we are in big trouble if Dembele get's injured.
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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Parker slightly ahead of Sandro for me right now. We need his leadership for one. For away games I think we could/should be looking to put both in there alongside Dembele.

Would like to see a midfield of Parker/Sandro (the anchor), Carroll (the passer) and Dembele (box to box) in the near future though, could tick all boxes for what you need in a midfield.
 

THOWIG

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Feb 14, 2005
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Me neither, could definitely of used him under AVB- fits the bill, hard work and will press etc...and has quality on the ball.


A midfield of Sandro, Pienaar and Dembele would have worked well I reckon.
 

thinktank

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Sep 28, 2004
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I'm still not sure why we sold Pienaar, but never mind.
Because he didn't hit the ground running with 'Arry and then got injured if I'm remembering correctly. And then carried an aura of him just not working out here. He never seemed to click in or fit for some reason.
 

ultimateloner

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Jan 25, 2004
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Parker/Dembele, because these 2 can hold the ball under pressure.
I hope Sigursson can show this side of his game too, because that's what you'd expect from someone who costs that much.
 
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