Who would you keep?

[JME-9]

Next season we need to qualify for Champions To keep the good players... Lo Celso, Bergwin, Ndombele.

--------------------------Lloris---------------------------
--Aurier-------CB------------CB-------------Sessegnon---------

---Ndombele------Hojberjg-----------Lo Celso-----------

---Bergwin--------Kane----------Son------

With aurier at right back keep dreaming ??

 

[ILS]

Not really. I’ve never said Dele is playing at his best, only that he’s achieved a phenomenal amount at a young age for us and deserved far more patience than he gets. But this is a list of who I see as must keeps, and he doesn’t fall into that list.

I believe this was one of your previous comments back in Feb;

Can the ‘Dele isn’t good enough’ chat fuck off now?

So since that comment we have played 6 or 7 games since then.. yet now he is not a must keep?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I believe this was one of your previous comments back in Feb;

Can the ‘Dele isn’t good enough’ chat fuck off now?

So since that comment we have played 6 or 7 games since then.. yet now he is not a must keep?

Why are people feeling the need on here just lately to continuously pick up on what individuals may or may not have posted (within context) for it only to be used to belittle in some way after the fact?

Opinions change, views change. I'd rather deal with the view presented to me now than something that was said 'x' amount of months back. Not keen on this current trend at all.

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

I can see why we went for Jose. He's a serial winner and that first trophy seemed (simplisticly) to be the only thing that we were missing and was stripping us from pushing on to be a top, top team/squad/club.
I can also see why we're interested (if we are) in Thiago Silva, Diego Godin or some similarly 'over the hill' appearing player that can share their experience & winning mentality.
But I see both as short term measures and while helping in some ways, both could have detrimental effects on certain players and possibly the team as a whole.
It's a gamble.

 

[Pat Rice Spurs fan]

For me what is even more embarrassing for a player of Sanchez's reputation who has had a year at Ajax and now three years here, is that a player like Chris Basham at Sheff Utd who has played in the lower leagues of English football for the whole of his career has more ability with the ball at his feet.

If you just take a step back and let that sink in, If I was Davinson I would be embarrassed.

Is part of the issue with Sanchez development that he's been in and out of the team a lot?
When he came & Toby was refusing to sign a new contract, he played regularly & was looking good.
Then we seemed to have a couple of seasons were it was Toby & Jan, unless there was an injury.
I think everyone would agree that they were the best pairing for the team but for Sanchez it must have affected his development & possibly confidence, too - especially when he knew that he'd be dropped again as soon as Jan/Toby were fit.
I think that must be why many BIG teams buy ready made centre backs (26/27 year olds). See VVD, Cahill when he went to Chelsea etc etc - and we pretty much did it with Toby.
With someone like Basham, playing constantly throughout his career, even out it was at a lower level, must have helped his development & confidence.
I'm not saying Sanchez would be a super star but maybe we're partly to blame with where he is right now (see also Phil Jones)

 

[mil1lion]

I think a big thing is that in the past, especially early on under Poch, we were better than the sum of our parts.
We never had the Hazards, Ozils, Alexis Sanchez, Di Marias, Yaya Toures, Agueros, Rooneys. But we could compete with them.
It was all about the team.
Those great players of ours that we now look back on weren't awesome when we bought them but we took a (calculated) chance on them - Walker, Rose, (Bale,) even Dembele was carried through a few games in centre midfield by Sandro. And, yes, sometimes it didn't work out (Wimmer (?), Janssen, N'Jie, N'Koudou).
Then Dier came in, and not long after he was England's first choice holding midfielder and Jose was desperate to take him to Man U.
Dele from two divisions below was getting interest from Barca & Real.
It's the same Dele & Dier that so many want rid of now - they can't suddenly become shit, can they?
And that's the big issue for me, not that we need rid of 75% of the squad, but that we need someone to motivate them, to build confidence in them - to build a team again.

And I don't think Jose is capable of being that man (anymore).

For me, we need a new manger that can do all these things and have a new tactical plan (one that plays attacking football would be nice) and someone (DoF?) that does a better job of finding new talent (like Mitchell, whoever's done it for Leicester, or even fun time Frankie in BMJ time).

Wanyama was better than Dier. The pairing of Wanyama and Dembele was the most dominant centre midfield we've had in years, probably in all our Premier League years. For all the talk about how great Dembele was, and he certainly was, it's Wanyama we miss more.

I do agree about not needing to sell too many players though. I think if you put a Rose, Walker and Wanyama in this team you improve it dramatically. I'd rebuild at the back around Dier and Tanganga and a backup centre forward to give the injection we need.

I think there's still hope for Mourinho but his successful teams have always been built on a solid defence. If we don't rebuild our defence there's not much hope for him (or anyone else for that matter). You simply can't let in as many soft goals as we do at this level.

 

[ILS]

Why are people feeling the need on here just lately to continuously pick up on what individuals may or may not have posted (within context) for it only to be used to belittle in some way after the fact?

Opinions change, views change. I'd rather deal with the view presented to me now than something that was said 'x' amount of months back. Not keen on this current trend at all.

That is fine and my view of players changed that is part of watching football. What I don't like especially with the Dele Alli argument that there was 3 or 4 of us on this board who get lambasted for a long period of time because we feel he is a footballing fraud due to the smoke blown up his arse by the British media and certain fans on this board. People blamed injuries , people blamed Poch, People blamed Jose, people blamed other players but never Dele.

Now the majority are now seeing him for what he is which is a limited footballer who has moments; however that doesn't stop me wanting him to have a moment to help us win on Monday.

 

[ILS]

Is part of the issue with Sanchez development that he's been in and out of the team a lot?
When he came & Toby was refusing to sign a new contract, he played regularly & was looking good.
Then we seemed to have a couple of seasons were it was Toby & Jan, unless there was an injury.
I think everyone would agree that they were the best pairing for the team but for Sanchez it must have affected his development & possibly confidence, too - especially when he knew that he'd be dropped again as soon as Jan/Toby were fit.
I think that must be why many BIG teams buy ready made centre backs (26/27 year olds). See VVD, Cahill when he went to Chelsea etc etc - and we pretty much did it with Toby.
With someone like Basham, playing constantly throughout his career, even out it was at a lower level, must have helped his development & confidence.
I'm not saying Sanchez would be a super star but maybe we're partly to blame with where he is right now (see also Phil Jones)

I actually blame whoever scouted him. We wanted De Ligt but Ajax didn't want to sell him so we bought a defender that is the complete opposite to the best partnership we have ever had in the premiership era.

I think they felt they could develop his ability on the ball but I think that is the hardest part for a defenders game to improve. You look at Rio, Terry and Ledley they were always comfortable on the ball at a young age and added the defensive aspects to that and turned into World class defenders. Jamie Carragher on the other hand was a cracking defender probably better then Ledley and Rio in being an out and out defender but due to him being limited on the ball stopped him from reaching that World Class bracket.

Unless Davidson starts cutting out basic technical mistakes and making better decisions on the pitch I believe he is going to fall short of the level required for us to get back to pushing the top 2 or 3.

 

[Saoirse]

Whether we want to keep him or not, it's sounding like Dier might not be willing to sign a new contract at a mid-table side. So we could either sell him for not-very-much this summer or let him go on a free next year

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I believe this was one of your previous comments back in Feb;

Can the ‘Dele isn’t good enough’ chat fuck off now?

So since that comment we have played 6 or 7 games since then.. yet now he is not a must keep?

So you had to go back 4/5 months to find a comment, no doubt hundreds of posts ago?

And even if I’d made that comment yesterday, it still stands. I can both think he’s good enough, and think he’s peaked/ would not mind losing him, which as I’m now explaining for the third time was the intent of my post.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Whether we want to keep him or not, it's sounding like Dier might not be willing to sign a new contract at a mid-table side. So we could either sell him for not-very-much this summer or let him go on a free next year

Where does he say that? Or even remotely imply that?

 

[bubble07]

Maybe an unpopular opinion. Dont think bergwijn should be a regular next season.

 

[riggi]

The last 10 years were the best years I've had as a fan. The Poch team followed by the Redknapp team were the most exciting for me.
Unfortunately the better we got the higher the expectation so the more disappointed we became. Missing out on the Champions League was a massive blow yet not even something you would consider as a possibility 5 years ago.
This past year has felt like a post mortem of a once great team. Now they just lack desire like they've run out of puff. We're being outworked by most of our opponents now which is hard to watch. We're so passive off the ball now when a few years ago we were the hardest working team in the League.
It's really a question of how many changes are needed to get that hunger back.

I do miss the sound of all the chairs folding up as Lennon came down the wing. Some lovely stuff played by spurs in that time.

 

[mil1lion]

I do miss the sound of all the chairs folding up as Lennon came down the wing. Some lovely stuff played by spurs in that time.

Bale and Lennon were proper edge of the seat players. I remember the 3-1 against City where we scored 3 in 7 minutes. It was absolutely deafening at the top of the shelf.

 

[Bulletspur]

Gazzaniga I think will never have higher stock. If we could shift him and bring in someone like Freddie Woodman who’s had a good year on loan in the championship or a similar HG profile who could also be a likely successor to Hugo, because Gazzaniga is a number 2.

Good post but the only part I disagree with is the above. Gazzaniga for me is so underrated. He ably deputised with credit for Lloris when he broke his elbow. Gazzaniga for me would be first choice in other PL teams, as he (in my estimation) came close to replacing Lloris as No 1. I think he is an excellent No 2 and to replace him with a Championship experienced player, would be diluting our squad imo.

 

[DiVaio]

Maybe an unpopular opinion. Dont think bergwijn should be a regular next season.

Why?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Good post but the only part I disagree with is the above. Gazzaniga for me is so underrated. He ably deputised with credit for Lloris when he broke his elbow. Gazzaniga for me would be first choice in other PL teams, as he (in my estimation) came close to replacing Lloris as No 1. I think he is an excellent No 2 and to replace him with a Championship experienced player, would be diluting our squad imo.

I understand your viewpoint, but I think while he’s an able number 2, he’s prone to going down in stages and this means that number 1 he probably quite isn’t, and we are at a point where we need to properly succession plan for that position. Potentially keep Gazzaniga and then replace Vorm with a very talented number 3 who could slowly rise through the stakes of seniority.

 

[Marty]

Maybe an unpopular opinion. Dont think bergwijn should be a regular next season.

Who in the current squad should play over him? He's not perfect but has been far better than both Lucas and Son since play resumed.

If you think we should prioritise signing (another) winger/forward then that's your opinion, but right now I don't want to see him out of our XI and he should (emphasis on should, there's always a chance it can go wrong) only get better and better.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I would consider selling Dele to be honest. Not that I don't think he is or can't be a good player. But I find him a really difficult fit for us. He's a shadow striker and I really think we need a playmaker in that number 10 roll in order to make the most of Kane and Son. Just looking at the effect Bruno has had at utd is a good example of what our team needs. Granted it doesn't help that Jose isn't an attacking manager and we will never play free flowing football under him (but that's another argument), but even so, we need more creativity in our attack. I just feel if we could sell Dele for big money, we could then go and spend a larger fee on a creative AM. In an Ideal world ether Dele would become that player or i would sell Dele and and buy Havertz but neither of those things will happen.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Unpopular opinion, but we should be building around Dele. Look what happened when Jose made him the focus of the attack when he joined.

As long as the foundations in defence and midfield are in place, then give him his head, let him play and he's potentially that fantastista 10 we lack.