What will become of Pav...

ozspur 1 · Aug 24, 2009

First things first... i think he is a great player and a natural instinctive goal scorer...

This young lad must be dreaming of playing in next years world cup and i worry that if he continues to be being left on the bench that he will certainly start looking for a move out in Jan to up his chances of being picked for his national team.

I have in the back of my mind and quiet hope that he could become our solskjer as i see some similarities certainly in the way he plays and because we do need a quality replacement striker when the two or three out their are doing fuck all.

I'm not sure how old Solskjer was when he joined man-u but he certainly was managed well enough by alec f to keep him hapy enough to stay on the bench for basically the majority of his career and I just hope arry has the grooming sklls to keep our pav the same way. (happy on the bench that is)

Anyway... Just a thought...

C'mon you Spurs

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Garm · Aug 24, 2009

Solskjaer was 23 when he joined United. He was very close to joining us, in 1998/1999 I think it was. But Sir Alex told him he really wanted him to stay so he did. Bet he don't regret that today...

I really hope Pav stays and gets a chance to prove himself. It's just an injury to one of the other strikers and he will be much needed.

ozspur 1 · Aug 24, 2009

Yep i agree. but.. please no injurys...

luptic · Aug 24, 2009

i rate him higher than crouch, the man got talent no doubt. He came to us after playing non stop for 18 months, but showed moments of class. Fair dos there were games when he didnt do alot ie tracking back etc, but i thought with Harry working on him during the summer it would of been him and defoe. I hope he starts him on Wednesday night, and hopefully he can score a few goals, then there is no reason why harry cant drop keane to replace him with pav on saturday. No offence to Birmingham, but that match would be prefect for pav to show what he can do in the league.

MrWoolley · Aug 24, 2009

I really hope he stays. I wouldn't blame him if he didn't want to be fouth choice (which he seems to be at the moment).

He looked so lonely warming up by himself yesterday :-(

DEFchenkOE · Aug 24, 2009

It's looking likely to me that Pav and quite a few other fringe players may look for a move now or in January. Espn showed an interview with Hudd yesterday and they asked him if he was happy at spurs, he said he is at the moment because he's playing. That sums it up for me that especially in this world cup season ambitious players are not going to settle for the bench, or not even making the squad. I feel this is gonna be Harry's real test when unhappy players come knocking on his door.

For what it's woth I think Pav should have had more gametime so far this season but I can't argue with our results.

DEFchenkOE · Aug 24, 2009

It's looking likely to me that Pav and quite a few other fringe players may look for a move now or in January. Espn showed an interview with Hudd yesterday and they asked him if he was happy at spurs, he said he is at the moment because he's playing. That sums it up for me that especially in this world cup season ambitious players are not going to settle for the bench, or not even making the squad. I feel this is gonna be Harry's real test when unhappy players come knocking on his door.

For what it's woth I think Pav should have had more gametime so far this season but I can't argue with our results.

Dr Know · Aug 24, 2009

I think Harry has the ability to keep the players happy and the little I've seen of Crouch shows the Pav is a much better player. Keane seems to be blowing hot and cold so my guess is he may not start every game and Harry will try Crouch or Pav but I feel Pav will show more promise and hopefully keep his starting place. The season has just started and there is a long way to go, we just have to trust Harry, he ain't done bad so far :wink:

chkthfc82 · Aug 24, 2009

It wouldn't surprise me if he left this window cos let's face it he is 4th choice now and he won't wanna be left on the bench for most of the season.

shame but he will want to move on if not now then defo in jan i think.

ozspur 1 · Aug 24, 2009

But when were still top of the league and 6 points clear in Jan then he'd be staying put.

C'mon you Spurs

lishiyo · Aug 24, 2009

I think Pav will leave this window, he needs regular time to convince Hiddink. I doubt if we'll get much for him though, which is why I think he hasn't gone yet - offers aren't good enough so far.

Though I'd like us to give him more time this season, I wouldn't complain if he left for a good sum. I remain unconvinced that he is capable of becoming a good (ie top 6 side) striker in this league - imo despite flashes of technical skill and awareness, in the PL he too often gets bullied off the ball, seems off the pace, doesn't score enough and doesn't contribute enough otherwise to the team over 90 min consistently. Pav needs to do what Defoe did when he was injured - work his ass off to gain some upper body strength to hold up the ball better and make full use of his awareness, even if he is more naturally a poacher. Perhaps he has - which is why I'd like to see him more. I take nothing from preseason games, even Bent was on fire in them last season.

Like I've stated before, my ideal is a big target man to complete our quartet; imo Crouch and Pav are too similar, whereas a striker like Cole who is physically much stronger and pacier can actually soften the defense and win headers (Crouch isn't particularly strong in the air). I can sort of see why Harry was interested in K Jones, much as I think he's turd. I don't want to see us play hoofball all the time, but at least having that option could be useful for some games. However, I can't think of any such strikers willing to be 4th-choice here.

Mornstar · Aug 24, 2009

when ppl talk about fergie keeping four happy strikers at manure, they forget the fact that they play approximately 20 games more than us every year due to regular involvement in champions league and fa cup/league cup final appearances.

mil1lion · Aug 24, 2009

Relax, we've only been playing for 1 week. He'll no doubt start in the Cup, and if he proves himself he might get more of an opportunity in the next game. Its only a matter of time before injuries strike and the odd bad performance creeps in. So i'm sure he and Crouch will get opportunities soon enough.

Hoowl · Aug 24, 2009

I would imagine there is a good chance that at least one of Crouch and Pavlyuchenko will start in the Cup and if he performs he might get more oppertunities in the league. Unfortunately foir him, Pavlyuchenko is firmly fourth choice at the moment. This may be in part to him being the only one of our four strikers that Harry didn't sign.

Harry seems to be winning games with Defoe and Keane up front and Crouch will offer something different if needed. Pavlyuchenko suffers from being neither one thing nor the other. He's not got the pace of Defoe, he hasn't got the link-up play of Keane and he doesn't offer the physical presence and hold-up play of Crouch. Personally, I don't particualrly rate Pavlyuchenko and I think that, last season, his game showed flaws that can't be largely put down to tiredness. However, I think it's probably a better option to so see what he can do this year rather than sign another foreign player who might take time to settle.

mil1lion · Aug 24, 2009

I think Pav should be seen as a stand in for Defoe as the out and out striker. If anyone is as good a finisher as Defoe its Pav. Crouch is better off as an alternative to Keane as the player who drops off. So i would probably look at it as having 2 alternative strikers than one 3rd choice and one 4th choice striker. Although i never understood the term '4th choice' because we'll always have 2 up front, so they're never really 4th choice anyway. It'll be similar to our centre backs. Bassong is a more natural replacement for King. Dawson for Woodgate.

Hoowl · Aug 24, 2009

mil1lion said:
I think Pav should be seen as a stand in for Defoe as the out and out striker. If anyone is as good a finisher as Defoe its Pav. Crouch is better off as an alternative to Keane as the player who drops off. So i would probably look at it as having 2 alternative strikers than one 3rd choice and one 4th choice striker. Although i never understood the term '4th choice' because we'll always have 2 up front, so they're never really 4th choice anyway. It'll be similar to our centre backs. Bassong is a more natural replacement for King. Dawson for Woodgate.

But no-one would have imagined that Defoe and Keane would be able to play together. Everyone expected one of Keane/Defoe and one of Pavlyuchenko/Crouch but it hasn't happened like that so I don't think you can simply see Pavlyuchenko as the alternative to Defoe. As Keane and Defoe have partnered each other in the first three games I imagine they are the first choice pairing. Crouch definately seems to be the prefered option to come of the bench so, in that respect, I think Pavlyuchenko is fourth choice.

defoe18 · Aug 24, 2009

Pavlyuchenko is good enough, in Hiddink's eyes, to make his team without much match time. He'll definately make the world cup squad, but probably not the first team if he's always on the bench.

Pav will get a chance soon in the upcoming cup match(s) which he was lethal in last year, but i do argee that he deserves a chance and more than 5+ minutes of match time a week.

Personally i dont think he'll move this season, Hiddink rates him enough for Pav to "learn" this season by training, sub apperances and probs learning the language.

We'll see anyways, one injury is all it takes...

jimbo · Aug 24, 2009

I don't really go for this idea that a player might deserve a chance. I think it's up to him to prove his worth. At the moment we're top of the league with a perfect start and our best since '61. It's hard to see 'Arry changing a winning team so we can see what Pavlyuchenko might be able to do, and I think he's right in that respect.

By all means start him at Doncaster though, give him the full 90 minutes with Crouch alongside him. That's a chance to keep the players currently on the fringes of the first team, like Pavlyuchenko and O'Hara, sharp(ish) should we need them later on.

Krafty · Aug 24, 2009

If we werent winning then it might be different, but we are so the players on the bench cannot complain.

I do think we are one too many upfront, especially since they are four strikers. I would not be too confident with any of them anywhere else in the team other than upfront. Even Keane, who is probably the most flexible of the four, is not good enough to play central midfield and only fills a gap on the wing. Ideally we would want three strikers then someone like Gio who can play very happily on the wing as well.

ChrisW81 · Aug 24, 2009

I hope he stays.

Hopefully he will get a chance to prove himself.

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