michaelden
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Juve just knocked down the Stadio della Alpi cos it had a runnning track and attendances were poor. They now have a purpose built stadium.
New Stadium Details And Discussions
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Juve just knocked down the Stadio della Alpi cos it had a runnning track and attendances were poor. They now have a purpose built stadium.
why on earth were you stuck at whl till 22.30?i would have been at that game i would have walked to seven sisters jumped on the tube the victoria and been on my way home from there well before 23.33 and the crutches one well getting away from anywhere on crutches is gonna be a nightmare.getting away from large venues with a tube station right there is horrible the walk to seven sisters actually makes it more bearable for me
MattyP
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Apologies for the delay (stuck on the fucking Jubilee Line, may have to get used to that if we move to Stratford :razz
Anyway, here's the message I received from wearen17 this morning following their meeting with Levy yesterday
I'll post up the full statement as and when it's released.
Anyway, here's the message I received from wearen17 this morning following their meeting with Levy yesterday
I'll post up the full statement as and when it's released.
michaelden
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Matty, you're late ;-)
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Just to try and summarise what I think is the 'Pro Stratford' view, I think almost everyone ok with the move is first and foremost concerned with having a new Stadium.
1) They primarily want a new bigger stadium because:
a) They want us to be able accomodate the huge number of extra fans who want to come and watch each week.
b) They've seen the plans for the naming rights stadum and excited by them.
c) They've seen the strong correlation between wages and sustained success.
d) They are frustrated at our current inability to attract players due to the fact we cannot offer enough wages.
2) Because they want a new stadium they are willing to move as:
a) They do not see it as deminishing our history or as selling out
b) Levy has said the the NDP is not viable
c) The OS seems far less of a finanacial risk to the club than the NDP.
d) The OS will most likely be far more profitable than a new stadium in Tottenham
e) The club haven't previously been able to find any other suitable site in North London.
As Levy has said, the primary driver is a new Stadium, not moving to Stratford. It is because a new stadium is so important to people that they are willing to move to Stratford.
1) They primarily want a new bigger stadium because:
a) They want us to be able accomodate the huge number of extra fans who want to come and watch each week.
b) They've seen the plans for the naming rights stadum and excited by them.
c) They've seen the strong correlation between wages and sustained success.
d) They are frustrated at our current inability to attract players due to the fact we cannot offer enough wages.
2) Because they want a new stadium they are willing to move as:
a) They do not see it as deminishing our history or as selling out
b) Levy has said the the NDP is not viable
c) The OS seems far less of a finanacial risk to the club than the NDP.
d) The OS will most likely be far more profitable than a new stadium in Tottenham
e) The club haven't previously been able to find any other suitable site in North London.
As Levy has said, the primary driver is a new Stadium, not moving to Stratford. It is because a new stadium is so important to people that they are willing to move to Stratford.
Rocksuperstar
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Could we not win the bid, get that fella off of Quest channel who moves buildings and pay him and his crew to drag the f*cking thing to the High Road then they could have our current site, with running track attached, and we could take over the now empty olympic site? :shrug:
ibbz
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If Spurs Fans/Organisations can lobby TFL to open up Northumberland Park Station, and Harringey Council, then we might have a chance.
As to be honest, the Club is all about it's LOCATION. We're Spurs, TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FC, and our heart is in the Stadium which has so much history and ghosts of the past haunting it's corridors and seats.
if we knock this down we destroy our past, our history and the places where Greats walked and Fans of yesteryear screamed and cried out with passion for the Club they love.
I don't even wish for a move adjacent to the Stadium, I want to stay PUT! Expand what we have, redevelop what we have.
Knocking down and moving from WHL would be like knocking down History, would be like eradicating Buckingham palace to make way for a parking lot.
It's a CRIME!
Henry at Anfield has the right idea, if you check the latest news he wants to STAY at Anfield, and instead redevelop it.
I do think the O/S would be great, but as a club we'd have sold out to big business, money and all that shit which has ruined football since the inception of the EPL.
I'd rather WHL in the dump its at, with 36k supporters than a shiny new stadium which lacks the SOUL of WHL.
Sod big business, Levy, and everything else.
I'd 100% against a move, formerly I was swayed by Levy and the prospects of the O/S with all the bright lights, prestige and glam, but I had sold out.
I WILL NOT SELL OUT!
As to be honest, the Club is all about it's LOCATION. We're Spurs, TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FC, and our heart is in the Stadium which has so much history and ghosts of the past haunting it's corridors and seats.
if we knock this down we destroy our past, our history and the places where Greats walked and Fans of yesteryear screamed and cried out with passion for the Club they love.
I don't even wish for a move adjacent to the Stadium, I want to stay PUT! Expand what we have, redevelop what we have.
Knocking down and moving from WHL would be like knocking down History, would be like eradicating Buckingham palace to make way for a parking lot.
It's a CRIME!
Henry at Anfield has the right idea, if you check the latest news he wants to STAY at Anfield, and instead redevelop it.
I do think the O/S would be great, but as a club we'd have sold out to big business, money and all that shit which has ruined football since the inception of the EPL.
I'd rather WHL in the dump its at, with 36k supporters than a shiny new stadium which lacks the SOUL of WHL.
Sod big business, Levy, and everything else.
I'd 100% against a move, formerly I was swayed by Levy and the prospects of the O/S with all the bright lights, prestige and glam, but I had sold out.
I WILL NOT SELL OUT!
bigturnip
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Would it not just be easier for him to drag Stratford International to the High Road? Then everybody wins.
EastLondonYid
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:clap:
And just to add this.....
Levy harps on about only having the TEAMS interest at heart, and nothing to do with just making money...then why have we failed to buy a decent striker in the TWO transfer windows since we qualified for the CL?
Many fans will be suspiciuos as to why we didn't take advantage of the carrot of CL to offer and buy.....On one hand levy says we must move to stay in touch...and then doesn't give harry and the team the boost of a world class striker, massively damaging our chances of top 4...is he really ambitions or not anymore?.....that is why some are worried that the OS maybe part of a different plan which he may not be around to see.
Don't give me all that crap that he tried on the last day...anyone with half a brain will not really believe he went on the last day really expecting top players to sing to his tune and jump in his waiting helecopter cos we are so irresistable, even their wages we wouldn't meet.... even Barca or real couldn't have pulled that off.
Something doesn't add up, our transfer policy, our stadium policy...it is all abit shady IMO.
I have always been a big fan of levy, and i hope i have egg on my face and levy has no intention of moving us to sell out....but i love spurs too much to blindly follow any chairman and not question his motives untill its too late
especially when i see him doing things that don't quite feel right.
Krafty
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Unfortunately I think TfL are part of Levy's NDP problem. They want the club, and any other people who want to make large developments that require better/bigger infastructure to pay for it themselves. TfL are not interested investing in the large scale redevelopment themselves, they dont have the resources given the economic climate and their current commitments.
Lobbying might mean they lower their demands to Spurs, but that would we would not get sufficently improved transport links
bigturnip
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So wanting to move to Stratford so you can get home a bit quicker is not in anyway thoughtless, heartless or selfish?
I can't believe that you can't get from Tottenham to Selhurst after 10pm at night. By the way, the walk to Stratford from the OS will be much longer than the walk to WHL from WHL and you'll still have to take 3 trains to get to Selhurst, so will you be leaving even earlier from Stratford?
I just don't buy the whole argument that Tottenham is difficult to get to or to get away from, it really isn't as bad as some people on here would have you believe. Even when there is engineering works on the Victoria line it's not that bad.
bigturnip
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But we knew before the NDP was ever started that TfL were never going to make a Northumberland Park branch on the Victoria line, so clearly it's not one of the problems now, as it was never an option. Unless there's another large scale TfL redevelopment you're talking about.
SpurSince57
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Obviously I missed the post where you explained how someone held a gun to your head and forced you to move to the other side of London. Or was it that the 'Tottenham' part of 'Tottenham Hotspur' wasn't quite a big enough clue for you, or that you neglected to check the map?
Since ease of travel seems to be your main criterion for choosing which club to follow, perhaps you should consider supporting your local one. That would be novel, wouldn't it?
kishman
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This.
And I'm not sure many people know about the petition. Especially those who are that familiar with the internet.
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Regarding eveningthing being about money. The financial side of things is clearly linked to what happens on the pitch. There is a very strong correlation between money spent on wages and success. Our recent upturn, due to a decent choice of manager and players, clouds the whole issue. We're not talking about what happens in the short term. We're talking about giving ourselves the oppertunity to still be competitive in 10, or 20+ years.
Even if Levys primary motive is not long term success, the proposed move would almost certainly move us towards that goal. Furthermore if Levy wants to sell, the more successful we are, the more money he would recieve. So even if Levy is all about the money, the things he needs to do to get this money nearly all align with what many of us want for the club. This makes him a far more suitable bedfellow than siding with the atheletics community or West Ham and celebrating any suggestion that we may not win the OS.
Even if Levys primary motive is not long term success, the proposed move would almost certainly move us towards that goal. Furthermore if Levy wants to sell, the more successful we are, the more money he would recieve. So even if Levy is all about the money, the things he needs to do to get this money nearly all align with what many of us want for the club. This makes him a far more suitable bedfellow than siding with the atheletics community or West Ham and celebrating any suggestion that we may not win the OS.
exactly
Krafty
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No, I'm not particularly talking about branching the Victoria line out, I'm saying any work that needs to be done with regards the train stations, buses and perhaps work at seven sisters would have to be paid by the club because of the credit crunch and TfL's commitment to certain projects, therefore lobbying TfL would not any tangible difference. If they did lower their demands it would be because they would accept less improvement work being done, which in turn helps us supporters out less.
michaelden
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the transport thing is the smallest of issues, just like having Arsenal fans call us pikeys is a small thing.
The main reasons the OS site is better is that since the transport links are poor we are limited to a maximum capacity of 56000 for the forseeable future.
At the OS there will no such cap as the transpport links are made to cope with 80000 plus people.
The key driver to moving is stadium capacity & turnover. Therefore the site which offers the possibilty of future expansion is the clear winner. A stadium of 56000 @WHL would tide us over until 2020 or so but then we'd be in the same situation of wanting to expand and TFL being the limiting factor would want huge money to expand services into Tottenham.
bigturnip
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Latest statement from WeAreN17:
"We Are N17 would like to apologise for not issuing a statement regarding the meeting with Daniel Levy.
As I am sure you can appreciate the two people who met Levy have been very busy with work and will issue a full statement as soon as they can.
We Are N17 will not be holding a protest at tomorrow's game. We feel that we have now contacted the real deal breakers who will be making the final decision and have also had a meeting with Daniel Levy - he is well aware of our position. We now plan to wait until the preferred bidder is named in the next week or so before doing anything else.
We are aware that there are at least two other protests at tomorrow's game and we would like to wish everyone who attends well. We hope both protests remain peaceful."
I can't help but feel DL is stringing them along a bit with empty promises just to prevent any mass protest, I hope I am wrong and that DL sticks to his word of offering an independent consultation and referendum on the issue, but I guess time will tell.
"We Are N17 would like to apologise for not issuing a statement regarding the meeting with Daniel Levy.
As I am sure you can appreciate the two people who met Levy have been very busy with work and will issue a full statement as soon as they can.
We Are N17 will not be holding a protest at tomorrow's game. We feel that we have now contacted the real deal breakers who will be making the final decision and have also had a meeting with Daniel Levy - he is well aware of our position. We now plan to wait until the preferred bidder is named in the next week or so before doing anything else.
We are aware that there are at least two other protests at tomorrow's game and we would like to wish everyone who attends well. We hope both protests remain peaceful."
I can't help but feel DL is stringing them along a bit with empty promises just to prevent any mass protest, I hope I am wrong and that DL sticks to his word of offering an independent consultation and referendum on the issue, but I guess time will tell.
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Am I cynical in thinking the bottom of that statement is a bit sinister? Rather than distancing themselves from the two protests they've effectively advertised them. They also hope they remain peaceful, which should go without saying and is conspicuous by its inclusion.
