If Luka leaves there's only one man to blame

If Luka goes, and it's looking increasingly likely that he will sadly get this move it will sicken me and the blame lies and one persons door, Harry.

I know posters like az have mentioned how he feels some are going over the top about this but seriously Luka is our heartbeat, our best player since huddle in my eyes (including gazza) and the whole idea of making a statement with some signings that we may be ready to challenge is bollocks if he leaves.


What sort of statement is that? This should have been done last window, who genuinely belived crouch and keane are good enough? The strikers made the difference last year and Harry dithered, and dithered, then twitched, dithered some more and finally scouted players we all know about (aguero, forlan, Rossi) and then decided Charlie Adam was the answer, only to fuck that up too.

I am disappointed with Luka but I can see the reasoning, we all claim about out project and 'in a couple of years we can win the league' but he like many others have seen we fucked it up and are way way behind now. Anyone who claims about spending doesn't get the point, we had it and pissed it away last season, city wernt beter than us and neither were Chelsea. We have only ourselves and Harry especially to blame if this leads to the exedous it may well end up as.

Just so the usual reply of 'Harry bashing'. I am not usually but this is beyond a joke, he doesn't give a fuck and will leave next year.

And with that I think I'm going to take a break from this site for a couple of days. Let the dust settle and all that.

There clearly isn't just one man to blame. Levy to an extent...the scouts...the agents...the media...Abramovich...and last but not least....dun..dun DUNNN....
He hasn't left yet. The club haven't had a chance to respond. Let's see what happens first.

The damage was done last summer. We qualified for the CL and went backwards.

I'm still absolutely convinced we had the players to finish top four last season, without signing anyone in January. We managed to beat Arsenal away, Liverpool away, draw with Chelsea and Man United. So why couldn't the same players beat West Ham/West Brom/Wigan/Wolves/[Insert literally any wank team here]? It's because we didn't go into those games with the right attitude. Blame who you want for that. I said this at the time, and I'm saying it again now.

Spurger your probably right but how can Luka be blamed? Triple your pay (although I don't belive this is the sole reason), leave a team that bottled it when they had the chance, and join a team who saw their weaknesses and acted on them, yes we didn't have £50m to blow on a striker but we apparently had at least £36.5m for Aguero, and that's why I can't blame levy, he was willing to spend but Harry decided to not bother spending. Beat Blackpool and we go 5 clear with a game in hand iirc. Jesus Christ that game will haunt me for years.

Absolute garbage.

If Rodent Boy goes then yes, I will accept that lack of transfer activity in the past two windows may be to blame for his departure. But then I have already said that we have made a major mistake over the past six months or so. I have been a critic as and when I think mistakes are being made, especially where Redknapp is concerned.

But to lay the blame for Modric's possible departure solely at the feet of Harry is absolute tosh. Firstly it shows a total lack of understanding of how the club works. The way you talk, it's as if Harry runs it all on his own as a one man band. Why did we not strengthen when we did? There could be a whole host of reasons, including Harry dithering, Levy worrying too much about business and not being aware of what it really takes to compete, or simply taht we cannot financially compete with the other sides. To just to the conclsioon that it's all the fault of one person is bonkers.

My statement regarding signing players earlier in the window is based on the fact that we didn't sign players in the last windows. That was to our detriment, but the situation is at it now, and between signing players early to make a statement and leaving it late again, I think the former is the best option. There is nothing to be gained by constantly going to back to the previous windows as what's done is done and it's now just crying over spilled milk.

Furthermore, I do not accept that the departure of one player (should it even happen) means that we are now to be forever consigned to mid-table obscurity. It is totally over the top reactionary bullshit. I did not see Liverpool fans all bemoaning their impending relegation when they sold Torres...and yet they have proved a worse side than us. Also, it's totally ignorant to pretend that we will never get to the CL again if Modric goes. We heard all the same shit when Berbatoss left.

What do I think will allow us to compete more easily? A trillionaire benefactor. But until he comes along do I think the club is an absolute shambles? Not at all, and we could have far worse than the current set up. We could still be finishing 12th every season with the likes of Scholar, Sugar, Gerry Francis and so on.

So, stevenurse, can I suggest that you calm your emotions down and return to considering why overexcercise might cause footballers' underpants to stink instead of trying to determine how our club is a disaster.

Rout-Ledge said:

So why couldn't the same players beat West Ham/West Brom/Wigan/Wolves/[Insert literally any wank team here]? It's because we didn't go into those games with the right attitude.

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....and Modric was part of the team that fucked those games up....

Azrael said:

....and Modric was part of the team that fucked those games up....

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That's true. However, I thought it was a team motivation problem. As a team we weren't urgent enough in those games, we didn't go out and make sure we won at any cost. We strolled through them, expecting to win. Modric was indeed at fault, but no more or less so than anyone else.

Unfair at best

Rout-Ledge said:

That's true. However, I thought it was a team motivation problem. As a team we weren't urgent enough in those games, we didn't go out and make sure we won at any cost. We strolled through them, expecting to win. Modric was indeed at fault, but no more or less so than anyone else.

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Indeed. It just amuses me the irony of people who solely blame people like Redknapp for fucking these games up, when ultimately the players have as much responsibility, including Rat Boy. It also shows how hyptocritcal some footballers can be. "Oh well, I'm off because there's no CL this year and I have ambition, but I'll forget that I was a first teamer for the side that failed to get it".

I really disagree

Harry let us know that the strikers wouldn't sign because we weren't offering high enough wages

Charlie Adam was a Last minute Levy special

The one mark against Harry is Suarez. He screwed that up and tried to blame it on others.

You know you've made some good points in a post when RichSpur58 starts neg repping you. :lol:

Azrael said:

Indeed. It just amuses me the irony of people who solely blame people like Redknapp for fucking these games up, when ultimately the players have as much responsibility, including Rat Boy. It also shows how hyptocritcal some footballers can be. "Oh well, I'm off because there's no CL this year and I have ambition, but I'll forget that I was a first teamer for the side that failed to get it".

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If a bigger team comes in for you, generally you try and get the move to happen. It's unusual to get a player taking individual responsibility, as it doesn't do him any good. It doesn't make them look too good, but I guess that isn't a particular priority for most of them.

NEVILLEB said:

I really disagree

Harry let us know that the strikers wouldn't sign because we weren't offering high enough wages

Charlie Adam was a Last minute Levy special

The one mark against Harry is Suarez. He screwed that up and tried to blame it on others.

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So why did we watse time trying ro sign players that we couldnt afford?

You wouldnt look round a 5m pound home if you were earning 50k a year? We wasted our own time in January thinking we would sign someone for 30m quid and they would accept 60k a week wages. Barmy.

Azrael said:

You know you've made some good points in a post when RichSpur58 starts neg repping you. :lol:

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:stupid:

Maybe I am over-reacting and maybe not but thats just my view, he may not even leave but this of course is due to a reaction. Luka is by far my favourite player and as another thread says, he would be a departure that makes me feel kinda sick.

I can see other point of view and acknowledge that some may agree, others of course have very differing opinions and that's fair enough. I just personally can't see how we could have been so naive. Maybe I don't have the correct idea on how the club is run but I have always been of the view, and we have all been told many times that Harry picks the players, levy does the deals.

The real test for me becomes our resolve to hold to him much like the arse have done with fabregas. He clearly wants to leave but the club have refused to buckle. Let's show we aren't just a feeder club. £50m + drogba and sturridge would be a deal that may, maybe make me think about contemplating it being a decent deal. £30m? Fuck off.

Azrael said:

Indeed. It just amuses me the irony of people who solely blame people like Redknapp for fucking these games up, when ultimately the players have as much responsibility, including Rat Boy. It also shows how hyptocritcal some footballers can be. "Oh well, I'm off because there's no CL this year and I have ambition, but I'll forget that I was a first teamer for the side that failed to get it".

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Absolutely right in that the team, our strikers in particular, should also shoulder some of the blame. However, as is the case in most sports, the buck stops with the manager. He also doesn't help his case when he doesn't own up to it. Actually, that isn't so bad, seeing as most managers don't. But he insists on going one further and blasting all and sundry, including the fans. No doubt we'll hear him talking about the Chairman again soon enough. More surreptitious blame-shifting.

DFF said:

Absolutely right in that the team, our strikers in particular, should also shoulder some of the blame. However, as is the case in most sports, the buck stops with the manager. He also doesn't help his case when he doesn't own up to it. Actually, that isn't so bad, seeing as most managers don't. But he insists on going one further and blasting all and sundry, including the fans. No doubt we'll hear him talking about the Chairman again soon enough. More surreptitious blame-shifting.

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I really don't think so much focus should be put on the strikers for our stinker of a run. The whole team lacked urgency. We didn't create proper chances. We kept playing useless floaty crosses into the box. There's a reason we gave the genuinely good teams a game but not the poor ones. At least the strikers were consistently shit.

What a fucking stupid thread.

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Blockbuster said:

What a fucking stupid thread.

Be ashamed of yourself you mug

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He may have come at this from a very limited point of view but at least he's backed up his opinion with an argument. How about you demolish his stupid thread with a stinging counter-argument and not attack him personally?