The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 9 August 2011

stemark44 · Aug 9, 2011

JJetset said:
TSH i dont see why fans will backlash against Harry?
Its not him that is stopping the big transfers in fairness to him.

Haha,of course it's not Harry stopping signing the big players...........its because we can't afford them and he should have came up with more realistic targets that we could buy in line with the clubs financial restrictions.

We would all love to drive Ferrari's but we can't because we can't afford them.

stemark44 · Aug 9, 2011

DoublePivot said:
I think if you look at Levy's history, you can see why people are panicking. During his time as chairman, all but one of his best buys have been done by this point: Berbatov, Modric, Bale all early doors. Sandro may well join that. Of all his last second buys, VDV is the only one that hasn't sucked balls. Rasiak, Murphy, Gilberto, Rocha were all horrible signings. Niko was last second, but has been fairly unsuccessful due to lack of playing time. And Corluka was a last minute transfer, but that had more to do with City playing games with us for weeks after we had it all settled.

The deeper it goes into August, the more likely it will be a failure. Carrick was late and was great. Pavlyuchenko was a late deal that was a reaction to losing Arshavin and has been so-so. Robbie Keane was very last minute on his return from Liverpool and has been a disaster, second time around. Bentley was at window close and has never been a good fit.

The fact is that when we have our targets established and go after them early they tend to be successful. BAE, Gomes, Lennon, Huddlestone, Crouch were all done by now and have been different levels of good for the team. The only ones that were failures on our end when signed early were Bent, Kaboul, GDS and KPB, but other than GDS, they were mistakes on our end as they did go on to be great elsewhere, to the point where we bought Kaboul a second time.

Historically, sign early and you have a good player. The later you go into August, the better chance of failure. Wait til the last day and it is almost guaranteed to be a failure.

So, Levy has passed the the point where success is more likely than failure. And every day, the chance of a signing being a failure is more probable.

Thats all well and good DP..........but its our manager that wants the players we sign not the chairman,its not his fault if they turn out to be rubbish.

Paxtonite · Aug 9, 2011

DoublePivot said:
I think if you look at Levy's history, you can see why people are panicking. During his time as chairman, all but one of his best buys have been done by this point: Berbatov, Modric, Bale all early doors. Sandro may well join that. Of all his last second buys, VDV is the only one that hasn't sucked balls. Rasiak, Murphy, Gilberto, Rocha were all horrible signings. Niko was last second, but has been fairly unsuccessful due to lack of playing time. And Corluka was a last minute transfer, but that had more to do with City playing games with us for weeks after we had it all settled.

The deeper it goes into August, the more likely it will be a failure. Carrick was late and was great. Pavlyuchenko was a late deal that was a reaction to losing Arshavin and has been so-so. Robbie Keane was very last minute on his return from Liverpool and has been a disaster, second time around. Bentley was at window close and has never been a good fit.

The fact is that when we have our targets established and go after them early they tend to be successful. BAE, Gomes, Lennon, Huddlestone, Crouch were all done by now and have been different levels of good for the team. The only ones that were failures on our end when signed early were Bent, Kaboul, GDS and KPB, but other than GDS, they were mistakes on our end as they did go on to be great elsewhere, to the point where we bought Kaboul a second time.

Historically, sign early and you have a good player. The later you go into August, the better chance of failure. Wait til the last day and it is almost guaranteed to be a failure.

So, Levy has passed the the point where success is more likely than failure. And every day, the chance of a signing being a failure is more probable.

Spot on. Well said. Repped

Mr Pink · Aug 9, 2011

nevermind incomings before the season starts, there will be no out goings either... :cry:

ethanedwards · Aug 9, 2011

DoublePivot said:
I think if you look at Levy's history, you can see why people are panicking. During his time as chairman, all but one of his best buys have been done by this point: Berbatov, Modric, Bale all early doors. Sandro may well join that. Of all his last second buys, VDV is the only one that hasn't sucked balls. Rasiak, Murphy, Gilberto, Rocha were all horrible signings. Niko was last second, but has been fairly unsuccessful due to lack of playing time. And Corluka was a last minute transfer, but that had more to do with City playing games with us for weeks after we had it all settled.

The deeper it goes into August, the more likely it will be a failure. Carrick was late and was great. Pavlyuchenko was a late deal that was a reaction to losing Arshavin and has been so-so. Robbie Keane was very last minute on his return from Liverpool and has been a disaster, second time around. Bentley was at window close and has never been a good fit.

The fact is that when we have our targets established and go after them early they tend to be successful. BAE, Gomes, Lennon, Huddlestone, Crouch were all done by now and have been different levels of good for the team. The only ones that were failures on our end when signed early were Bent, Kaboul, GDS and KPB, but other than GDS, they were mistakes on our end as they did go on to be great elsewhere, to the point where we bought Kaboul a second time.

Historically, sign early and you have a good player. The later you go into August, the better chance of failure. Wait til the last day and it is almost guaranteed to be a failure.

So, Levy has passed the the point where success is more likely than failure. And every day, the chance of a signing being a failure is more probable.

Excellent post DP, thanks for the reality check.

DoublePivot · Aug 9, 2011

stemark44 said:
Thats all well and good DP..........but its our manager that wants the players we sign not the chairman,its not his fault if they turn out to be rubbish.

I agree, though that has not always been the case. He's had Arnesen, Jol, Comolli, Ramos and Harry to contend with. Their choices effect the list, but in the long run, he sanctions the expenditure. This isn't a blame game on my part. I am just looking at how things have worked during Levy's tenure. He can neither be given credit for Bale nor be blamed for KPB. He can be blamed for Berbatov/Campbell. But now that he is trying to act like a DoF, in some respects, the situation is exacerbated. So, like I said, I understand why people are panicking, and I would expect that anybody we sign now will have a better chance of failing than succeeding.

mickyid · Aug 9, 2011

DoublePivot said:
I think if you look at Levy's history, you can see why people are panicking. During his time as chairman, all but one of his best buys have been done by this point: Berbatov, Modric, Bale all early doors. Sandro may well join that. Of all his last second buys, VDV is the only one that hasn't sucked balls. Rasiak, Murphy, Gilberto, Rocha were all horrible signings. Niko was last second, but has been fairly unsuccessful due to lack of playing time. And Corluka was a last minute transfer, but that had more to do with City playing games with us for weeks after we had it all settled.

The deeper it goes into August, the more likely it will be a failure. Carrick was late and was great. Pavlyuchenko was a late deal that was a reaction to losing Arshavin and has been so-so. Robbie Keane was very last minute on his return from Liverpool and has been a disaster, second time around. Bentley was at window close and has never been a good fit.

The fact is that when we have our targets established and go after them early they tend to be successful. BAE, Gomes, Lennon, Huddlestone, Crouch were all done by now and have been different levels of good for the team. The only ones that were failures on our end when signed early were Bent, Kaboul, GDS and KPB, but other than GDS, they were mistakes on our end as they did go on to be great elsewhere, to the point where we bought Kaboul a second time.

Historically, sign early and you have a good player. The later you go into August, the better chance of failure. Wait til the last day and it is almost guaranteed to be a failure.

So, Levy has passed the the point where success is more likely than failure. And every day, the chance of a signing being a failure is more probable.

Just one thing Bentley was not signed at the close of the window. He was signed well before. He played in our pre-season games in Feyernoord etc.

13VanDerBale13 · Aug 9, 2011

this is very depressing looks like diarra deal is off, i now maintain my feeling that their will be no signing until 22nd+

Stoof · Aug 9, 2011

DP, I think that's a massive simplification. None of that goes into when our interest started in those players, and the courting process that proceeds the actual signing.

The signing time usually only affects the price. Sign early if you can, but as you have stated previously, we have a stagnant market on our hands.

JonnySpurs · Aug 9, 2011

Oh my god it's like slit your wrists central in here today.

You lot are fuckin miserable. All we can do is continue to be patient.

After all if by the end of window we've landed Diarra, Rossi, Samba and Llorente, those slagging off Levy and Harry will feel pretty fuckin stupid.

Wind it in, thanks.

Sir Henry · Aug 9, 2011

DoublePivot said:
I think if you look at Levy's history, you can see why people are panicking. During his time as chairman, all but one of his best buys have been done by this point: Berbatov, Modric, Bale all early doors. Sandro may well join that. Of all his last second buys, VDV is the only one that hasn't sucked balls. Rasiak, Murphy, Gilberto, Rocha were all horrible signings. Niko was last second, but has been fairly unsuccessful due to lack of playing time. And Corluka was a last minute transfer, but that had more to do with City playing games with us for weeks after we had it all settled.

The deeper it goes into August, the more likely it will be a failure. Carrick was late and was great. Pavlyuchenko was a late deal that was a reaction to losing Arshavin and has been so-so. Robbie Keane was very last minute on his return from Liverpool and has been a disaster, second time around. Bentley was at window close and has never been a good fit.

The fact is that when we have our targets established and go after them early they tend to be successful. BAE, Gomes, Lennon, Huddlestone, Crouch were all done by now and have been different levels of good for the team. The only ones that were failures on our end when signed early were Bent, Kaboul, GDS and KPB, but other than GDS, they were mistakes on our end as they did go on to be great elsewhere, to the point where we bought Kaboul a second time.

Historically, sign early and you have a good player. The later you go into August, the better chance of failure. Wait til the last day and it is almost guaranteed to be a failure.

So, Levy has passed the the point where success is more likely than failure. And every day, the chance of a signing being a failure is more probable.

Scary thing is, I think you actually believe all that ?

Mr Pink · Aug 9, 2011

DoublePivot said:
I think if you look at Levy's history, you can see why people are panicking. During his time as chairman, all but one of his best buys have been done by this point: Berbatov, Modric, Bale all early doors. Sandro may well join that. Of all his last second buys, VDV is the only one that hasn't sucked balls. Rasiak, Murphy, Gilberto, Rocha were all horrible signings. Niko was last second, but has been fairly unsuccessful due to lack of playing time. And Corluka was a last minute transfer, but that had more to do with City playing games with us for weeks after we had it all settled.

The deeper it goes into August, the more likely it will be a failure. Carrick was late and was great. Pavlyuchenko was a late deal that was a reaction to losing Arshavin and has been so-so. Robbie Keane was very last minute on his return from Liverpool and has been a disaster, second time around. Bentley was at window close and has never been a good fit.

The fact is that when we have our targets established and go after them early they tend to be successful. BAE, Gomes, Lennon, Huddlestone, Crouch were all done by now and have been different levels of good for the team. The only ones that were failures on our end when signed early were Bent, Kaboul, GDS and KPB, but other than GDS, they were mistakes on our end as they did go on to be great elsewhere, to the point where we bought Kaboul a second time.

Historically, sign early and you have a good player. The later you go into August, the better chance of failure. Wait til the last day and it is almost guaranteed to be a failure.

So, Levy has passed the the point where success is more likely than failure. And every day, the chance of a signing being a failure is more probable.

Mate are you seriously suggesting had we signed these players earlier in the window they would of been great players for us!

I appreciate the point you're making and its always an advantage to get your business done early but its not an exact science as such.

Personally if we had of uneathered a Berbatov or a Modric they would of been done weeks ago I think, the fact we havn't suggests we didn't find one and that for me is the more concerning thing. Players of that ilk where found long before Harry got here. I'm not saying they're easy to find but it does make me wonder - Harry always want the safest bet, the proven player...and the problem with that in todays climate is that they cost money we arn't comfortable with.

Levy is handed a list of targets, the problem is that most of them are probably very unattainable.

JonnySpurs · Aug 9, 2011

13VanDerBale13 said:
this is very depressing looks like diarra deal is off, i now maintain my feeling that their will be no signing until 22nd+

Based on what? The Sun newspaper, you gotta be kidding me?

Let's get a grip people and stop determining our mood by ITK and speculation from tabloids.

The Journalist · Aug 9, 2011

Madrid never paid the reported price for Diarra and his wages are actually relatively low compared to others at Madrid. Wages not a problem.

Also read someone saying Tottenham want £14million for Bentley. NO they don’t.

thfc1989 · Aug 9, 2011

The Journalist said:
Madrid never paid the reported price for Diarra and his wages are actually relatively low compared to others at Madrid. Wages not a problem.

Also read someone saying Tottenham want £14million for Bentley. NO they don’t.

As far as you are concerned Journo, is Diarra all done?

Mr Pink · Aug 9, 2011

The Journalist said:
Madrid never paid the reported price for Diarra and his wages are actually relatively low compared to others at Madrid. Wages not a problem.

Also read someone saying Tottenham want £14million for Bentley. NO they don’t.

Hi Journo, do you have a round up?...any news on Hutton to Villa etc...

Is Diarra imminent?

Spurger King · Aug 9, 2011

The Journalist said:
Also read someone saying Tottenham want £14million for Bentley. NO they don’t.

I think it was a typo. We want £14 for Bentley, but it's about £13 too much.

ohwhenthespurs · Aug 9, 2011

I'm a firm member of the camp that believes it's a false economy leaving everything until the last minute. When you're going for top drawer strikers from bigish clubs, buying that late leaves them no time to replace the player, and I really don't see Bilbao letting Llorente go or Villareal parting with Rossi on August 31, unless they're offered stupidly over the odds.
The only one who I think could be allowed to go on deadline day is Adebayor, as City will be keen to ship him out if he's still around by that point. But taking the gamble that he'll still be available on August 31 and that it'll all go through smoothly is playing an almighty game of chance with our hopes of doing anything this season.
I also don't get the logic in giving your squad no pre-season together to work on shape and communication and in putting the manager under the strain of playing five or six important games without the players he wants. He'll either be on the sausage roll or playing catch up come September 1.

The Journalist · Aug 9, 2011

Everything between Tottenham and Villa is still the same.
You have offers for Keane, Hutton and Jenas.
Keane will go to Villa if Tottenham accept.
Hutton will go to Villa if Tottenham accept.
Jenas has a contact offer from villa if Tottenham accept. He will then need to accept.

Everthing (incomings/outgoings) is all in Tottenhams hands.
You have offers for both (incomings/outgoings) all waiting to be finalised.
Maybe the looters have stolen Daniel Levys fax machine but its ALL being held up your end.

Diarra will be done.

ethanedwards · Aug 9, 2011

Mr Pink said:
Mate are you seriously suggesting had we signed these players earlier in the window they would of been great players for us!

I appreciate the point you're making and its always an advantage to get your business done early but its not an exact science as such.

Personally if we had of uneathered a Berbatov or a Modric they would of been done weeks ago I think, the fact we havn't suggests we didn't find one and that for me is the more concerning thing. Players of that ilk where found long before Harry got here. I'm not saying they're easy to find but it does make me wonder - Harry always want the safest bet, the proven player...and the problem with that in todays climate is that they cost money we arn't comfortable with.

Levy is handed a list of targets, the problem is that most of them are probably very unattainable.

Believe you are misinterpreting DP's post. Try again.

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