The Daily ITK Discussion thread January 19th 2012

stemark44 · Jan 19, 2012

Paolo10 said:
Considering we've been looking for this type of player for what seems like eons now, it shouldn't be that hard to line someone up.

It's dragged on for far too long, we had all summer to get someone permanent in, Ade was the best we could do and again at the last minute, on loan. We are at the business end of the table with it all to play for and that's a rarity that should be taken advantage of as much as possible.

We've made profit in our last window, I just can't get to grips with this idea that it's so difficult, if it's so difficult in January, this should have been sorted during the summer.

What cost us our CL place in the first place? A lack of firepower. Ade is contributing, but now he's not scoring, if he was at it, we'd be higher up the table now. If we had another option to him, the same could be said.

We're faffing around with the striker issue, wait until the summer? This will be the 3rd summer we've been waiting, is that good enough? I don't believe it is.

Harry hasn't been looking to upgrade our strikeforce for almost 3 seasons because he was happy with the ones we had.

If that clown Onouha is getting £80,000 a week at QPR,how hard must it be for us to negotiate for any half decent player?

Teddy Klinsmann · Jan 19, 2012

StanSpur said:
I agree with others that we should always look to replace squad players with first XI players e.g. trading Pav for a striker that would potentially replace Ade in the starting line up. That is how you improve the squad and increase depth. Bringing in the likes of Long (who i think is a good player) is more of a like for like replacement for Pav in terms of quality which isn'tt greatly improving the squad as a whole. Replace him with an established top player or a Modric/Berbatov type find and the squad as a whole has improved. Balotelli, Dzeko, Tevez and Aguero were brought in to replace the likes of Adebayor, Bellamy and Roque Santa Cruz - see my point? I know they have the finances to buy the best but still there have to be better improvements than the likes of Long and Fletcher with no disrespect to their talents.

Totally understand what you are saying mate, just think it is hard to dismiss the likes of Long/Fletcher. We are always going to struggle to sign really top world class players as long as we have the wage/transfer structure we have in place.

You'll prob totally disagree with what I wrote earlier this morning:
http://onespursblog.com/2012/01/19/transfer-shopping-from-home/

Paolo10 · Jan 19, 2012

stemark44 said:
Harry hasn't been looking to upgrade our strikeforce for almost 3 seasons because he was happy with the ones we had.

If that clown Onouha is getting £80,000 a week at QPR,how hard must it be for us to negotiate for any half decent player?

Aye, he was happy with our strikeforce, that's why we signed Van der Vaart, Adebayor and got rid of Keane on loan before selling. That's why we're linked with Remy, Leandro, Rossi, Aguero and fuck knows who else.

That's why Pav is constantly linked with moves away, because Harry's so happy with him.

T'riffic stuff from you, as usual.

orkneyspur · Jan 19, 2012

Jonny_Moffett said:
We are always going to struggle to sign really top world class players as long as we have the wage/transfer structure we have in place.

You'll prob totally disagree with what I wrote earlier this morning:
http://onespursblog.com/2012/01/19/transfer-shopping-from-home/

Evidently Azza is just signing an extention to his contract on improved terms of £55K per week. That's a big increase from the £40K we had as a cap a couple of years ago and that's for Lennon, so things are improving on the salaries front.

thfc1989 · Jan 19, 2012

I honestly think some people on here preferred the Arnesen and Santini days. We were crap but we made a signing every Friday. No matter how well we are playing these days some on here still despair.

#1 Spur · Jan 19, 2012

thfc1989 said:
I honestly think some people on here preferred the Arnesen and Santini days. We were crap but we made a signing every Friday. No matter how well we are playing these days some on here still despair.

Remember also, that the last window was a "disaster".

Paolo10 · Jan 19, 2012

We're not talking a shopping spree, we've had 3 and a bit seasons out of Pav and all he's proven is that he scores the odd smasher and does fuck all else.

One striker, that's it.

tommyt · Jan 19, 2012

thfc1989 said:
I honestly think some people on here preferred the Arnesen and Santini days. We were crap but we made a signing every Friday. No matter how well we are playing these days some on here still despair.

I think people just want an excellent striker.

And I think they hoped the ground work would have been completed prior to January.

I suppose that is too much to ask for some - not you personally btw

StanSpur · Jan 19, 2012

Stoof said:
The question/problem is - and always has been - who are these magical players that people theorise about?

It's all very well and good saying this, but don't you think if there was this young up-and-coming superstar then every team would know about him?

Improving the squad is important and in an ideal world then yes we'd want someone knocking on Ade's door. However, an upgrade is an upgrade - and at the moment, TSH is looking more useful sitting in Row 2 than Pav has on the pitch.

It is difficult sure. But we pay a lot of scouts and legal people to do their best to put together deals that benefit the club and i'm simply stating that all clubs should look to replace what they have with something better on an individual basis. We have secured very talented players in the past that were better than the current squad and did it for relatively little money ala Berbatov and Modric (16m is a lot but when you realise he is worth considerably more than that it is a good deal).

Matrix · Jan 19, 2012

#1 Spur said:
I know what you mean, we could be, like, third or something by now.

Yeah down to that 20 goal a season striker you want replaced right?

For your information we should be 1st.

Only 1 Spurs · Jan 19, 2012

Afternoon all

Do any of the players mooted over the past few days fall into the Excellent bracket?
Long, Fletcher ect all play a v.important roll so why couldn't they play an important roll for us? without spending 20+ million on some foreign player who may fail miserably due to The weather not to their liking, or the culture being too different?. At least the Long's and the Fletchers no whats what and we know what we will be getting from them and at a fraction of the price? its not about the big price tag its about whats good for the team and if we identify that some British player already plying his trade in the prem that can do the same job as Billy big bollocks from half away across the world im all for buying from home.

dvdhopeful · Jan 19, 2012

Paolo10 said:
We're not talking a shopping spree, we've had 3 and a bit seasons out of Pav and all he's proven is that he scores the odd smasher and does fuck all else.

One striker, that's it.

Name me three strikers, who would be a clear upgrade on Pav, who most importantly would be happy to sit on the bench as backup to Ade. How much do you think they could be got for and what wages you think they'd require.

I'm interested to know.

Mouse! · Jan 19, 2012

Only 1 Spurs said:
Afternoon all

Do any of the players mooted over the past few days fall into the Excellent bracket?
Long, Fletcher ect all play a v.important roll so why couldn't they play an important roll for us? without spending 20+ million on some foreign player who may fail miserably due to The weather not to their liking, or the culture being too different?. At least the Long's and the Fletchers no whats what and we know what we will be getting from them and at a fraction of the price? its not about the big price tag its about whats good for the team and if we identify that some British player already plying his trade in the prem that can do the same job as Billy big bollocks from half away across the world im all for buying from home.

I would argue that teams like Wolves, West Brom would want £12-15mil for Fletcher or Long because of their importance to their respective teams. Why not take a punt on someone like Damiao for that price who might just become world class?

Only 1 Spurs · Jan 19, 2012

S.Mouse! said:
I would argue that teams like Wolves, West Brom would want £12-15mil for Fletcher or Long because of their importance to their respective teams. Why not take a punt on someone like Damiao for that price who might just become world class?

Because Damiao isn't coming and would cost £25m+ and also the fact that BIGGER AND BETTER teams also want him or teams that can throw wages far greater than we can. Lets face it The Damiao boat has sailed If im wrong then il gladly say i was wrong but i just cant see the lad coming to us.

Hot-Spur · Jan 19, 2012

You know I'm starting to think us getting a striker would be a bigger miracle than turning water into wine :lol:

Matrix · Jan 19, 2012

#1 Spur said:
Remember also, that the last window was a "disaster".

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. In all case an purposes it did look a disaster and still could be considered one.

We still dont have that prolific striker we have all wished for.

Ade is only here on loan, a short term fix.

Pavs still here, GDS is still here. We still only have 1 fulltime leftback and a shed load of rightbacks.

There are many many things which can be improved upon, yes we are in a great position but lets not suck each other off just yet.
How the hell have Man U sustained strong squads over the years? By all way trying to improve the squad regardless of being Champions etc.
Look at Chelsea, 2 years of minimal investment (By their standards) after Jose got sacked has impacted the team over the last few seasons with an ageing squad with no direct replacements in the wings.

This season we have come of age and are just a few players short of winning something, in all intents and purposes we should have had these players scouted, approached etc ready to sign by now. This is the closest we have been to winning the league since the team of 1987. We should not waste this chance, one of which could be are only one for another 25 years.

Dare! · Jan 19, 2012

Tomorrow's the day we sign someone. I can feel it. :whistle:

steveb · Jan 19, 2012

Listen, i think Fletcher, Long etc are decent strikers, and that is it.
I am sure some of you on here, are just craving a signing for the sake of it and are perhaps missing the days, where we used to do 5/6 deals each window.

The thing with those days are that we were pretty average and were only dreaming of the champions league, and now that we are finally at that level you have to realise that are tact has changed.

We are 3rd in the league, the highest team in London, and are playing some of the best football in the league, which is someone told me that 5 years ago, i would have laughed.

I agree we need another striker, as Ade will be gone in a few months and also if he gets injured we are in trouble, but why buy a striker for the sake of just buying one. We need top quality at the club, that can improve us and take us forwards, not be linked with a few decent players that may just to a job for now.

I am sure things are being worked on, and if we can get someone in that will improve us now and next season and beyond then great, but i think we have to think a little bigger than we used to as we are a much better team now and we are gaining a lot of respect for the way we play

thfc1989 · Jan 19, 2012

steveb said:
Listen, i think Fletcher, Long etc are decent strikers, and that is it.
I am sure some of you on here, are just craving a signing for the sake of it and are perhaps missing the days, where we used to do 5/6 deals each window.

The thing with those days are that we were pretty average and were only dreaming of the champions league, and now that we are finally at that level you have to realise that are tact has changed.

We are 3rd in the league, the highest team in London, and are playing some of the best football in the league, which is someone told me that 5 years ago, i would have laughed.

I agree we need another striker, as Ade will be gone in a few months and also if he gets injured we are in trouble, but why buy a striker for the sake of just buying one. We need top quality at the club, that can improve us and take us forwards, not be linked with a few decent players that may just to a job for now.

I am sure things are being worked on, and if we can get someone in that will improve us now and next season and beyond then great, but i think we have to think a little bigger than we used to as we are a much better team now and we are gaining a lot of respect for the way we play

This is essentially a much more eloquent version of my post at the bottom of the previous page. I agree entirely

StanSpur · Jan 19, 2012

Jonny_Moffett said:
Totally understand what you are saying mate, just think it is hard to dismiss the likes of Long/Fletcher. We are always going to struggle to sign really top world class players as long as we have the wage/transfer structure we have in place.

You'll prob totally disagree with what I wrote earlier this morning:
http://onespursblog.com/2012/01/19/transfer-shopping-from-home/

You have me wrong, i don't disagree. I'm not talking about the need to sign £30m players or the next wonderkid. I'm simply talking about looking to replace players with someone noticable improvement. I think Parker is a perfect example, as a replacement for Jenas he is a much better player (not to mention better fit for the team in a Moneyball way) and he wasn't too expensive. There are players out there who are much better than Pav that we could possibly get and as i said i do like Fletcher and Long but i simply don't see them bing that much of an improvement on what we have especially when you consider just how much they would cost.

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