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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE DONATION EDITION 24th August 2012
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RuskyM
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So, uh, where exactly does Willian fit in?
He's not a replacement for Modric. He plays further forward than Modric. Which could mean he's back up for van der Vaart...except we've already signed backup for Van der Vaart, in the form of Gylfi. Which could either mean a) we're selling van der Vaart which is a fucking ridiculously stupid idea or b) we're planning different formations, or c) this is another transfer we're doing when we should be doing others.
Here are three formations I'd assume would fit Willian.
He's not a replacement for Modric. He plays further forward than Modric. Which could mean he's back up for van der Vaart...except we've already signed backup for Van der Vaart, in the form of Gylfi. Which could either mean a) we're selling van der Vaart which is a fucking ridiculously stupid idea or b) we're planning different formations, or c) this is another transfer we're doing when we should be doing others.
Here are three formations I'd assume would fit Willian.
Sandro - Gylfi
Willian - Rafa - Bale
Ade
Which leaves out Lennon despite him giving us ridiculously good crosses last year. And isn't Willian naturally central? Which would mean we're signing a player for £15m+ and not playing him properly, a phase I thought we'd passed. And Gylfi shouldn't be playing Modric's role, so that's out.
Sandro - Parker
Willian
Rafa - Ade - Bale
Which is a lot more attack minded, but this would highlight how much we miss Modric due to not having someone to connect the dots. And Rafa on the right DOES NOT WORK.
Gylfi - Sandro - Parker
Willian - VDV - Bale
Which fits all of them in, but begs the question why the fuck did we just sign Ade to bench him?
I trust Andre and Levy, but this just seems like a bit of a pointless move. Moutinho is far more suited to us, wants to play here, he may cost more but we're almost certain to have a good effect.
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I think Isco makes the most sense right now with financials and positional fit kept in mind. He plays as a deep-lying midfielder similar to Modric. His passing was impeccable for Malaga the other night. He knows how to find spaces, he's decisive on the ball, and he can dribble out of trouble with ease. I'd be much more comfortable with spending the cash on him as I feel as though he's a very comparable talent to Modric in terms of his strengths and the upside is huge.
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Would imagine we add Willian mainly as a winger to rotate/add competion for Lennon and Bale. The fact he could play other positions in a pinch is just a bonus.
At first i was underwhelmed by the prospect of Willian, but AVB been after him quite some time so would assume he rate him highly for the kind of football he wants us to play. (Even at Chelsea with their endless money he was after Willian)
At first i was underwhelmed by the prospect of Willian, but AVB been after him quite some time so would assume he rate him highly for the kind of football he wants us to play. (Even at Chelsea with their endless money he was after Willian)
RuskyM
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Michu looks like he's going to be huge, that's one I wished we got on.
We need a deep lying playmaker (look at me with my fancy Football Manager terms), Willian is not this. If it's a choice between Willian, or someone like Moutinho or Isco, then I pick the latter every time. We're not Chelsea, we can't just sign all the midfielders and hope they work.
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It's not rocket science, he is an upgrade to Lennon and can cover bales position. A quality player that I really hope we sign.
Mr Pink
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Totally agree.
Definitely see Willian as more competition for wide positions in the three behind the striker. I want him, always rated him.
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But a) Gylfi can already do that and b) Willian's going to cost a lot, so I'd assume he'd be an almost confirmed starter.
He's a good player, he's just not what we need.
But we spent £8m on Gylfi for that. And he plays central, not on the wing (at least not preferably).
He's a quality player...but a replacement for Modric, another forward and a keeper should all take precedence. He'll be a good signing, but he's a luxury signing rather than a necessity.
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Exactly. I don't know if I've been more impressed by a midfielder's play this season so far than I was Isco (Cazorla for Arsenal on his debut was unfortunately 2nd-best). He looks like a real talent that can someday be that key cog that play seems to run through a la Modric.
As for Willian, I don't understand why we wouldn't be more in on Aubameyang. Auba has played on the right, and he's obviously played in a CF role. If we have been priced out of Damiao, Auba seems to make the most sense as a fallback option. Versatility, youth, upside. There's a ton to like there.
I feel as though Willian would be awesome if we had a spot on the left wing or even as a player behind the striker, but unfortunately (for him) those positions are locked up and only cover is needed on the left.
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He is what we need (not at the reported price mind), very much so. Much better at beating people than Gylfi. We need some fresh impetus in those wider areas, something a little bit different.
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Why must there be a choice? We need both a Luka replacement and another wide forward player as cover for Lennon/Bale. If we go for a cheaper CM like Isco/Dembele we surely could buy both for just the Modric funds.
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So basically we signed a player for £8m to not use. Again, we need another forward, a new keeper and a replacement for Luka Modric. We could USE cover for the wings.
It worries me that we're going for the unnecessary one first. Get the replacement for our best player sorted first, then we'll move onto who else we could garnish the squad with.
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What are you talking about?
, Siggy is going to be used in behind the striker mostly. Willian, who can also play there, has mainly played as a wide forward etc ie AVB is most likely to use him, Bale and Lennon for those two wider positions in the three behind the forward. All have pace and trickery etc, can beat a man.
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Willian mostly plays as an attacking midfielder. He can also play on the wings. Oh hey, just like Gylfi. I'd assume we're attempting to replace Kranjcar...which again, we already did. Willian would be a good signing, but he's completely unnecessary especially as we have three more positions which need improvement/cover before Lennon and Bale.
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Just to put this in perspective;
Lennon has 21 goals and 42 assists in 196 league games for us in the PREMIER LEAGUE.
Willian has 19 goals and 40 assists in 129 league games IN UKRAINE.
Good player no doubt, but still.
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I'm hoping we get Willian (albeit below the £20m being bandied around) because I think we need the options and cover he brings.
Last year when either Bale or Lennon was out we really suffered for it as we had no one who could adequately fill the roles that they played in the team. We ended up with square pegs in round holes and looked half he side as when they were both fit.
Now I do know in all likelihood we will probably set up slightly differently to last season but cover and competition for places is so important. Plus I think AVB will be very keen to win something this year be it FA, Europa or League cup. So a really strong squad with lots of options and cover for inevitable injuries will be vital.
I might add I think we need a player like Moutino to fill the gap that Modric leaves when he finally buggers off so I hope that it will be Willian and another, not just Willian.
Last year when either Bale or Lennon was out we really suffered for it as we had no one who could adequately fill the roles that they played in the team. We ended up with square pegs in round holes and looked half he side as when they were both fit.
Now I do know in all likelihood we will probably set up slightly differently to last season but cover and competition for places is so important. Plus I think AVB will be very keen to win something this year be it FA, Europa or League cup. So a really strong squad with lots of options and cover for inevitable injuries will be vital.
I might add I think we need a player like Moutino to fill the gap that Modric leaves when he finally buggers off so I hope that it will be Willian and another, not just Willian.
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Would say we need a wide forward as much as a pure striker. Atm we have Ade as a striker and Lennon/Bale as wide forwards, and unless we count Defoe/Gio/Bentley as good enough cover we really have no good enough backup/competition for either position.
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