The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 20th June 2013

arthurgrimsdell · Jun 20, 2013

Spurger King said:
I think I, and most people on this site, have probably read enough about the key figures at our club to have written literally all of that ourselves.

And perhaps made it a little less contradictory.

Bill_Oddie · Jun 20, 2013

dagraham said:
I'm worried about it and I don't think its fair to just cite QPR as the example. There are loads of successful teams where the manager has control over signings ( ever heard of Man Utd, Arsenal or Everton?). We nned to stop using Redknapp as the barometer to judge everything against.

I don't mind having a DOF if the ~~manager~~, sorry, HEAD COACH is happy working that way but let's hope AVB's input is more than just minimal. Because one thing is for sure. If we do shit, it's AVB who is going to walk the plank and the next head coach may not be so pleased to be working under Baldini and Sherwood.

If it makes you feel better: If you built a state-of-the-art kitchen (say for 60 million pounds with a really nice work surface called The Hotspur Chopping Board), would you want a world-class chef to focus on cooking your food, or would you make him spend all day shouting at waiters, buying cabbage and running spreadsheets...?

Sure, there are some who can do it all. But as football becomes ever more technical, they are dying out.

daveduvet · Jun 20, 2013

Yep, Levys home is in Florida. A previous client of mine's best pal holidays with the Levys annually in Florida. By all accounts Levy is a very generous of spirit individual; and a VERY tough businessman - nothing new learned there though

yojambo · Jun 20, 2013

Hmmm he says Sherwood appointed Steffen Freund but in the first interview Steffen did
with Tottenham (the video is on youtube) he says he spoke to Andre for three hours on the phone
then the next Andre phoned him back and said "yes, i would like to have you here at Spurs".
So Sherwood may of suggested Freund but he didn't appoint him.

johnweldon10@hotmail.com · Jun 20, 2013

Snarfalicious said:
I do think it's a pretty interesting concept.

But, I also like the ability to match up against opponents with either the 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.

Obviously last season we struggled mightily when Dembele went down. Paulinho is pretty much like-for-like so if Dembele were to need some time off, we could either transition to the 4-2-3-1 and have Paulinho/Sandro form the holding 2 or we could just incorporate a guy like Holtby into the midfield 3.

Also, I'm hoping we can continue to bring along Holtby and Carroll into that 4-3-3. Both are incredibly talented and I love the idea of having them both on the pitch given their propensity to always show for the ball but also their willingness to keep the attack ticking over.

I believe our RW position should be solid with what we already have. Bale and Townsend offer us a really nice duo that have similar styles of play. Both have the ability to beat their man and also love to take any shot that presents itself.

LW is going to be the really difficult thing to figure out. If we do want to stick with inverted wingers, Lennon/Siggy are our current answers there. But, does Lennon offer enough creativity and quality final ball to account for what would most likely be a guy that doesn't score 8+ goals in a season? It's hard to say. I always thought Lennon looked like he has more goals in him because at times his finishing is just superb. As for Siggy, I'm a huge fan and despite not having the typical pace, his ability to pick out a pass and create space on the dribble has been impressive. He had some serious shit luck this season and if he had just a couple of inches of better luck, he might have had double-digit goals in the league.

Striker: Hmph. Needs some work.

But I do think the foundation could be there should we get Paulinho and then focus on a guy like Villa and Bernard. Those two would add a ton of creativity/fluidity to the attacking front.

Mr Snarf. You, sir, speak an awful lot of sense

HappySpur · Jun 20, 2013

daveduvet said:
Yep, Levys home is in Florida. A previous client of mine's best pal holidays with the Levys annually in Florida. By all accounts Levy is a very generous of spirit individual; and a VERY tough businessman - nothing new learned there though

Nonetheless, as ITK, you are definitely sitting on a 100% record.

ohwhenthespurs · Jun 20, 2013

We sold Modric to Madrid on the cheap and over convenient, small instalments, and now they're going to repay us? How? By signing Bale?! Don't get that one, because I certainly don't see them selling us one of their Galacticos on the cheap.

Gedson100 · Jun 20, 2013

yojambo said:
Hmmm he says Sherwood appointed Steffen Freund but in the first interview Steffen did
with Tottenham (the video is on youtube) he says he spoke to Andre for three hours on the phone
then the next Andre phoned him back and said "yes, i would like to have you here at Spurs".
So Sherwood may of suggested Freund but he didn't appoint him.

He probably set it up though?
'Hey Andre, my old mate Steffan would like to come in, he's a legend round here, might smooth things a bit?'
The phonecall was probably a get-to-know-you.

andyp8080 · Jun 20, 2013

wishkah said:
It was a good month.

to be fair when Wishkah was one of the lucky chaps to come to WHL on the last day of the season with me he was well behaved when it came to beer consumption

maybe it was an off day for him?

Bizness · Jun 20, 2013

yojambo said:
Hmmm he says Sherwood appointed Steffen Freund but in the first interview Steffen did
with Tottenham (the video is on youtube) he says he spoke to Andre for three hours on the phone
then the next Andre phoned him back and said "yes, i would like to have you here at Spurs".
So Sherwood may of suggested Freund but he didn't appoint him.

Semantics.

Blackcanary · Jun 20, 2013

yojambo said:
Hmmm he says Sherwood appointed Steffen Freund but in the first interview Steffen did
with Tottenham (the video is on youtube) he says he spoke to Andre for three hours on the phone
then the next Andre phoned him back and said "yes, i would like to have you here at Spurs".
So Sherwood may of suggested Freund but he didn't appoint him.

I love Andre...but three hours of that voice on the phone?! No wonder Steffen is so barking!

(And yes, that does ring a bell).

Gedson100 · Jun 20, 2013

ohwhenthespurs said:
We sold Modric to Madrid on the cheap and over convenient, small instalments, and now they're going to repay us? How? By signing Bale?! Don't get that one, because I certainly don't see them selling us one of their Galacticos on the cheap.

I know you've decided it's all bullshit, but honestly who in their right mind would invent the idea that we are being paid in small installments.
It's too random not to be true.
[And sure there's plenty of opinion in there too.]

ohwhenthespurs · Jun 20, 2013

jair1970 said:
I know you've decided it's all bullshit, but honestly who in their right mind would invent the idea that we are being paid in small installments.
It's too random not to be true.
[And sure there's plenty of opinion in there too.]

Bizarre isn't it? There doesn't seem to be any benefit to us in letting Madrid have him cheap, other than perhaps ensuring that Chelsea or United didn't sign him. I don't see us getting any sort of tangible benefit from this partnership - player-wise - unless perhaps we've already had our side of the deal in getting VDV on the cheap.
I hadn't decided it was all bullshit, though - as I said at the end, some of it seems well informed and difficult to invent. But there are aspects of it that I feel are bullshit.

yojambo · Jun 20, 2013

jair1970 said:
He probably set it up though?
'Hey Andre, my old mate Steffan would like to come in, he's a legend round here, might smooth things a bit?'
The phonecall was probably a get-to-know-you.

Yeah i don't disagree, i think that would of happened.
But i also think that if Andre didn't like what he heard Steffen wouldn't be his assistant.
I think Andre had a say in it.

HappySpur · Jun 20, 2013

Bizness said:
Semantics.

This is the wrong damn club to support if you're going to be anti-semantic

dagraham · Jun 20, 2013

Bill_Oddie said:
If it makes you feel better: If you built a state-of-the-art kitchen (say for 60 million pounds with a really nice work surface called The Hotspur Chopping Board), would you want a world-class chef to focus on cooking your food, or would you make him spend all day shouting at waiters, buying cabbage and running spreadsheets...?

Sure, there are some who can do it all. But as football becomes ever more technical, they are dying out.

I don't have a problem with specialists doing what they are best at within our management team. I'm just not convinced that the continuity which the system is desgined for is actually realised. The system depends hugely on the head coach willingly relinquishing control. If, for example we spend a large wad this summer on players AVB has littkle input in and our season goes pear shaped and we finish, say 8th, what happens then? I think Levy, to use your analogy, will sack the head chef but maybe he's been using the wrong ingedients? If this happened then we may find it difficult to find another head coach happy to work under the structure.

Anyway, as has been said, It's done us okay so far (apart from the Ramos debacle).I'm not against it per se but for me, AVB's input into signings needs to be more than minimal. Hopefully he is more involved than the latest ITK suggests.

dudu · Jun 20, 2013

Spurger King said: ↑
I think I, and most people on this site, have probably read enough about the key figures at our club to have written literally all of that ourselves.

arthurgrimsdell said:
And perhaps made it a little less contradictory.

and yet the amount of Levy bashing on here would suggest completely the opposite!

excuse me - i appear to have replied tot he wrong comment! ive added it in now

kev1nxxx · Jun 20, 2013

dagraham said:
I don't have a problem with specialists doing what they are best at within our management team. I'm just not convinced that the continuity which the system is desgined for is actually realised. The system depends hugely on the head coach willingly relinquishing control. If, for example we spend a large wad this summer on players AVB has littkle input in and our season goes pear shaped and we finish, say 8th, what happens then? I think Levy, to use your analogy, will sack the head chef but maybe he's been using the wrong ingedients? If this happened then we may find it difficult to find another head coach happy to work under the structure.

Anyway, as has been said, It's done us okay so far (apart from the Ramos debacle).I'm not against it per se but for me, AVB's input into signings needs to be more than minimal. Hopefully he is more involved than the latest ITK suggests.

Oh Great now Im hungry tyvm :cautious:

allatsea · Jun 20, 2013

dagraham said:
Anyway, as has been said, It's done us okay so far (apart from the Ramos debacle).I'm not against it per se but for me, AVB's input into signings needs to be more than minimal. Hopefully he is more involved than the latest ITK suggests.

I refuse to believe that AVB has 'minimal' input. It seems clear from what we know of our targets for this summer AVB's input has been significant perhaps helped and supported by what was the imminent arrival of Baldini.

kev1nxxx · Jun 20, 2013

dudu said:
Spurger King said: ↑
I think I, and most people on this site, have probably read enough about the key figures at our club to have written literally all of that ourselves.

and yet the amount of Levy bashing on here would suggest completely the opposite!

excuse me - i appear to have replied tot he wrong comment! ive added it in now

How can ANYBODY do that?

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