Rose needs to go!

beats1 · Sep 1, 2013

You know what the funny thing is,

this defence is the best we had in years 1 goal conceded in 5 games and 1 goal conceded to le arse away when our last 5 visits have resulted in 19 goals; 5-2, 5-2, 2-3, 3-0 and 4-4

Yet we are still missing our best CB

MR_BEN · Sep 1, 2013

beats1 said:
You know what the funny thing is,

this defence is the best we had in years 1 goal conceded in 5 games and 1 goal conceded to le arse away when our last 5 visits have resulted in 19 goals; 5-2, 5-2, 2-3, 3-0 and 4-4

Yet we are still missing our best CB

Those 5 games have been against palace, swansea, dianamo tiblisi x2 and arsenal.

Apart from arsenal... I expect nothing but clean sheets.

tiger666 · Sep 1, 2013

I'll revisit this thread when the spam ratings back on.

quackers · Sep 1, 2013

Woeful left back, but not sure what the alternative would be.

robp135 · Sep 1, 2013

Rose seems to have become the scape goat for some of our under performing favourite and new players. He didn't put a foot wrong today. Vertonghen was at fault for the goal and Dawson was awful as always. If we had just signed Danielle Rosey from France people would be raving about him.

Spursking · Sep 1, 2013

Kurt Zouma played left back for St Etienne today. Sakho was in the stands in Liverpool. We have the money to buy both players. Why don't we sign them and secure our future defence. We are aiming high, and we want the best players in. City can just buy the players they want. I am not that impressed with what they are doing.

beats1 · Sep 1, 2013

MR_BEN said:
Those 5 games have been against palace, swansea, dianamo tiblisi x2 and arsenal.

Apart from arsenal... I expect nothing but clean sheets.

Yet we would still concede goals left right and centre even against the shocking teams

tiger666 · Sep 1, 2013

Spursking said:
Kurt Zouma played left back for St Etienne today. Sakho was in the stands in Liverpool. We have the money to buy both players. Why don't we sign them and secure our future defence. We are aiming high, and we want the best players in. City can just buy the players they want. I am not that impressed with what they are doing.

I wonder why...

Parklane Block 34 · Sep 1, 2013

Both our full backs positioning is very worrying. With those two we will achieve nothing! Upgrades needed tomorrow

Misfit · Sep 1, 2013

I think we need to cut the bullshit. Go right after the root problem here. Save ourselves yrs of hurt.

AVB OUT!

Olé · Sep 1, 2013

robp135 said:
Rose seems to have become the scape goat for some of our under performing favourite and new players. He didn't put a foot wrong today. Vertonghen was at fault for the goal and Dawson was awful as always. If we had just signed Danielle Rosey from France people would be raving about him.

I think he was a bit misplaced on the goal, though Dawson was clearly the one who let the play go on not following the line set by vertonghen. Anyhow, I am happy with rose being in the team, though I prefer having a better first team option in. He is a good player. He brings pace, decent crosses, tackles and fights hard. However I think he is not always smart and observant on his positioning, though I am sure he will become better with time. Rose is not a big lad though, and on crosses from the other side he struggles in the air, he is easily muscled away by more physical players and sometimes jump into ferocious headless tackles that will cost us. Also can improve technically. Nothing to do with nationality. IMO not good enough yet, a bit raw and too much of a risk. Though keep him, let him have a good run of games and see if how he develops. Coentrao and Pereira totally different class though if we can get any of them. If we can't get a top shelf LB I'm ok with him playing there. He's ok, just not tip top.

jimmyh · Sep 2, 2013

Danny Rose is not good enough to be the 1st choice left back in a team that has hopes and aspirations to push for the top 4 or even further.

He has no positional sense and is not a good reader of the game and he does not offer any defensive qualities whatsoever.

An accident waiting to happen.

Ionman34 · Sep 2, 2013

Rose was targeted by the goons on virtually every 1st half attack they mounted and, IMO, did a pretty Sterling job throughout. He was caught out positionally for their goal but to blame him for shows a real fundamental misunderstanding of defensive roles and responsibilities.
When being counter attacked, the full back's first responsibility is to pull in tight to force the attack wide. This allows the central defenders to get behind the ball and defend the goal. It is then down to the CB's to direct the fullback.
The communication from the CB's let Rose down, firstly by allowing him to pull in too tight and secondly by dropping from the higher line and leaving him further exposed. Having a WC FB would not have changed this, lack of communication would expose one of these too.

It was telling, for me, that the more incisive goon counters, in the 2nd half, came right through the middle. Walnut beat Rose once in the second half when he went to ground too easily. Apart from that, Rose, again IMO, was pretty solid in defence and limited Walnut, as evidenced by him needing to come more central to make things happen.

This is a pure agenda driven thread with maybe a couple of isolated incidents being used as 'proof' that he is incapable, when the opposite is actually the case.

It seems the expectation is that our LB should have one of the most dangerous attacking threats in the PL in his pocket. A LB still learning his trade no less. As it was he pretty much dis stifle him, I still have spare fingers on the one hand when counting up the times he was beaten out wide in 90 minutes.

Pure tabloidesque reactionism showing the same lack of understanding.

Seriously, when you display such a fundamental lack of understanding it really is best if you just bite your tongue.

double0 · Sep 2, 2013

Thought Rose played alright I was happy with our full backs in fact we dominated the just need to sort the link play final third

InOffMeLeftShin · Sep 2, 2013

jimmyh said:
Danny Rose is not good enough to be the 1st choice left back in a team that has hopes and aspirations to push for the top 4 or even further.

He has no positional sense and is not a good reader of the game and he does not offer any defensive qualities whatsoever.

An accident waiting to happen.

I never get this argument, it assumes that every title winning side has no slightly weaker players in it. Utd won plenty of titles playing people like John O'Shea, Wes Brown etc. Even now they play the likes of Cleverley and Wellbeck, who are 'not good enough for a team that has hopes and aspirations to push for the top 4' yet they won the title.

Danny Rose has played quite well so far, is he the perfect left back? Of course not but he's not making a handful of huge errors every game either.

Spurz · Sep 2, 2013

So he is your scapegoat now? The goal was the fault of a couple of our defenders not his alone. If anything Dawson was the worse performer last night and the biggest culprit for the goal, played the scums onside when we could very easily catch them both in an instance. His mistakes almost lead to 2 more goals if it wasnt for Lloris and Walker bailing him out. After Rose's error, i thought Rose played well. Even if we bring a LB in tomorrow, we will still need Rose, because we cant expect the new LB to play in every game. If anybody, i think Dawson should go but I wouldnt let him go either, because we need a good cover willing to sit on the bench

TH1239 · Sep 2, 2013

I've not seen many people discuss Rose's poor crosses these first three games. I can recall several times in each of these games where he has found himself with lots of space in the final third, but his final cross either was on the ground and cleared easily, or was mishit and went over the goal and out of play (this happened against Swansea and again today).

With the amount of money we have brought in from the Bale sale and the fact that we have made a net profit so far this window, it's not crazy to want a new left-back to compete with Rose, especially since BAE is clearly not rated by our manager.

thfcsteff · Sep 2, 2013

Ionman34 said:
Rose was targeted by the goons on virtually every 1st half attack they mounted and, IMO, did a pretty Sterling job throughout. He was caught out positionally for their goal but to blame him for shows a real fundamental misunderstanding of defensive roles and responsibilities.
When being counter attacked, the full back's first responsibility is to pull in tight to force the attack wide. This allows the central defenders to get behind the ball and defend the goal. It is then down to the CB's to direct the fullback.
The communication from the CB's let Rose down, firstly by allowing him to pull in too tight and secondly by dropping from the higher line and leaving him further exposed. Having a WC FB would not have changed this, lack of communication would expose one of these too.

It was telling, for me, that the more incisive goon counters, in the 2nd half, came right through the middle. Walnut beat Rose once in the second half when he went to ground too easily. Apart from that, Rose, again IMO, was pretty solid in defence and limited Walnut, as evidenced by him needing to come more central to make things happen.

This is a pure agenda driven thread with maybe a couple of isolated incidents being used as 'proof' that he is incapable, when the opposite is actually the case.

It seems the expectation is that our LB should have one of the most dangerous attacking threats in the PL in his pocket. A LB still learning his trade no less. As it was he pretty much dis stifle him, I still have spare fingers on the one hand when counting up the times he was beaten out wide in 90 minutes.

Pure tabloidesque reactionism showing the same lack of understanding.

Seriously, when you display such a fundamental lack of understanding it really is best if you just bite your tongue.

You obviously love Danny Rose.
You admit yourself that Rose was 'caught out positionally'...sorry, regardless of the fact that Verts and Daws got their signals wrong on that one, Rose had no business being where he was. You are suggesting that it is solely down to our CBs to hold his hand and instruct him as to the correct positioning he should have on the field? Good grief! This is the Premiership and Danny Rose is not a debutant. You need to know these things and you need to address them. Flores nearly did him at the Lane a week ago when he went walkies inside and yesterday he got caught ball-watching at a vital moment. Evra, Baines and LBs of this calibre don't caught like that; if we were going to get caught mis-playing an offside trap, there is still NO excuse for Rose's position. Your reasoning, 'forcing the attackers wide' is fundamentally flawed in this case, Rose simply got it wrong regardless of whoyouthink should've been holding his hand mate.

Is Danny Rose a capable LB? Yes. Do I think he's good enough to be in a side which wants to challenge for titles? No. Frankly Daws isn't up to it either, and I LOVE the man's spirit, heart and endeavor...but he too makes schoolboy errors too often.

I would suggest that the whole tongue-biting bit could be returned with spades. Still, it is a debate and people see situations differently, no doubt motivated by their thoughts of the player (s) involved in specific incidents. I am intrigued to see if Rose makes the next 28 hours without some serious competition or a replacement. As ever, I hope he goes on to prove me wrong.

Ionman34 · Sep 2, 2013

Not sure what your point here is Steff.

Dharmabum · Sep 2, 2013

Rose did one major mistake the whole game, on Arsenal's goal, but the main culprits were Jan and Daws, particularly Daws. Rose did very well going forward, kept the ball quite well and his passing was much better than last time I saw him at Spurs. And remember, this is only his 4th game for Spurs and the new team. And he matched Walcott of pace, not many FB do that.
If he keep playing like this I won't be too worried about the LB spot.

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