Fulham Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Gaz_Gammon · Dec 4, 2013

Guess that i am a plank and thick, oh and forgot to add a pillo

CrazyHeart said:
If you can adequately prove to me that another manager can do as well with a radically changed squad, while grinding out results to keep us in a heavily contested top 6, we'll talk. By the way, we're in the knockout stages of Europa with ALL wins and the Cap One cup is a couple of games away from a final. Besides the highest premiership points haul last year, and the best EVER premiership start THIS year should hopefully demonstrate that any belief in the man's capabilities is not blind.

Europa League, yes we played a relegated team last time out and labored superbly to a decisive victory. Being a "couple of games away" from the Cap One Cup Final, was i feel confident the thinking behind Levy's 100 million pound spending spree.

The "record points haul" still got us finished one place below the previous season, West Ham (cannot remember the season) got relegated on 42 points and Stoke finished one season 11th in the league with.................42 points. So your "record points haul" means just what? Points make prizes as Brucie would say and we didn't get enough last season. Simples.

I don't doubt AVB's capabilities or even dimensions, eventually truth will out. Around the end of May 2014 i would suspect.

Yid · Dec 4, 2013

Gaz_Gammon said:
The Manager picked him.

AVB's worried about losing and Neil Ashtons DM column mentioning the result

We have a perfectly good left back..............oh shit he's at QPR. Bugger knows who sent him out on loan.

He's out injured but Eriksen is the man, in the meantime i'd play Lamela behind Soldado (assuming Defoe hasn't picked himself again).

Lennon does more, and has more pace.

I'm inclined to strongly agree with the commentary in bold (especially so in the case of italic bold).
I've been hoping AVB can snap out of it, and play Lamela behind the striker in the #10 role.
It wouldn't hurt to try Lewis in a deeper "regista" type position as well. I think while Eriksen is out, Holtby linking up to Lamela (from DM to CAM respectively) would be an interesting approach in the creative play-making sense.
Also, someone like Capoue or Sandro could be the primary DM in the double pivot (next to Lewis).
Then we can play Lennon and Townsend out wide (both providing explosive pace and energy from the flanks during counter-attacks).
The aforesaid lineup should provide sufficient vision, creativity, and guile, coupled with speed and intensity.
There is only one nagging feeling I can't seem to shake, that perhaps the presence of a physically strong, direct, imposing, and athletic number 9 in the mold of Lukaku or Benteke would complete the package, and pave the way to success.

kaz Hirai · Dec 4, 2013

Stoof said:
No. We weren't utterly shite at all.

We bossed the ball. And aside from their hoofs to Berbatov, they offered very little aside from very rare moments in between our long spells.

Two good goals but we created as well - as we did against United. We could have lost and we could also have won 4-0.

As it was, I'm ecstatic with the comeback. And sitting near the away fans having snaffled a Fulham ticket last minute was one of the best decisions I've made.

Fans happy and singing. That would be so nice at the Lane? Instead of all you moany bastards. I love you all, though.

Agree the commentators on my stream thought we played well against a rejuvinated fulham side and that it was an exciting London derby, and again on match of the day they just said it was a great game

But all you read on here from the usual dull drones is how shit we are and how boring we are.

whitelanefever · Dec 4, 2013

Ok Nocanda, I thought it was aimed at me over your La La response, so sorry for mixing that up, although I stand by response to your La La relegation response.. it was just an easy cheap insult response & I hid my response because I don't want pointless public spats.. I want what's best for Spurs

Vulcan10 · Dec 4, 2013

Soldado reaction again is so funny after one of our goals (Chiriches), he again looks completely shocked lol

Mr Pink · Dec 5, 2013

Vulcan10 said:
Soldado reaction again is so funny after one of our goals (Chiriches), he again looks completely shocked lol

That made me laugh!!!

Was it like wholly fuck sort of look, we scored? lol

spursbhoy67 · Dec 5, 2013

Some thoughts on a team lacking in confidence beating another team lacking in confidence:

AVB picked a positive line up and gave players - Defoe and Lamela - their chance.

In the first half we created chances - Defoe, Lamela, Paulinho - and looked good on the break.

He made a positive change at half time which seems to have gone unnoticed.

We came from behind to win - if the players had no faith in the manager we would have lost.

Fulham had a new manager, a home support behind them, a game plan, the lead and confidence in scoring and we still came back to win on the road.

Yes, Berbatov played well, but he is one of the reasons (Jol too) Fulham are in the bottom three, so don't hark back to their days at the Lane.

We have a manager who according to some plays dour football, does not know what he is doing, is tactically inept and cannot figure out his best team and yet we are three points off the holy grail of the top four. What will we be like when he finally figures out what to do? I know it is not as exciting, as Harry's team, but it could be and I think in time it will be.

Huddlebone · Dec 5, 2013

Thmsdonaghy said:

Should look like this when he screams at all the backpasses. LADS STOP THOSE F#CKING
SIDEPASSES!!!

AVB: We dont play in Barcelona we are spurs, we dont play 555 sidepasses to make the other team sleep.

Vulcan10 · Dec 5, 2013

Mr Pink said:
That made me laugh!!!

Was it like wholly fuck sort of look, we scored? lol

He's standing there with his mouth wide open in disbelief while a member of the back room staff appear to be explaining to him that we've scored ha ha. I don't know wether to be thrilled that he has such an endearingly fun character or concerned that our 26million centre forward gets so confused at the idea of us scoring goals lol

spursbhoy67 · Dec 5, 2013

only1waddle said:
It's not though, quite clearly he tries to validate his "system" even when it isn't working, he can't handle going to conventional wide forwards because his new coaching manual is all the rage, conventional wide men, pah, it ain't sexy, just like all the bollocks spouted on here about "running the 433", just means we play a fashionable formation with the same negative outlook.

AVB went all Lottery football tonight, minus the football.

He was brought to White Hart Lane to have us playing top to bottom with a system. DL and JL both bought into the sytem, AVB's ideas and his plans moving forward. His "fashionable formation" is how he wants us to play and rightly or wrongly he is going to try and get us to play the way he wants us to.

A couple of weeks ago people were saying Chelsea looked boring and unimaginative. Mourinho has been tinkering with his line up and trying to find the best possible system and they have looked good in their last three league games. The Special One has worked with a lot of the Chelsea squad and he is still aking time to get things going. If Jose is having issues with consistency and performance then why would AVB be any different?

Give AVB time and he will produce a more stylish team than we are seeing right now.

Stoof · Dec 5, 2013

haydsmith said:
Just believe what is in front of your eyes. Not stats and not Match of the Day. We're bang average.

My eyes were looking at the big expanse of grass with the guys in the kit. If you were looking at a load of people who were seemingly looking behind you, you're doing it wrong.

I have no other explanation for you.

Stoof · Dec 5, 2013

I just don't understand how people can get so miserable over a win. No it wasn't electrifying - but it wasn't the dross that George Graham and Christian Gross served up. We used to win about 2 away games all season then.

I just wonder where the perspective is. Yes, by all means analyse the fuck out of a game but how you can draw any real conclusions and start to get worried about the next game is beyond me. Just enjoy it. Please? Otherwise there's really no point at all is there?

JimmyG2 · Dec 5, 2013

gorky said:
Yes our performances need to get better, but you know what, I'll take the wins first, and the performances second at the moment...quite frankly I'll take a win over a performance EVERY time

But playing badly is not a viable long term winning option.
You don't get to choose in any case.
Playing well is the only way to succeed over a 38 game season.
We are not playing well and will win a certain number of games so doing
Individuals lack speed of thought and speed of movement.
So many times a player will receive the ball in midfield
and have to stop because there is nothing on.
Nobody has the pace to take defences on.
We seem to be playing at half pace, Lennon excepted.

Our last three goals have been super strikes from long distance.
Just like the old Bale days.
They all count but you can't rely on them.
Great result from an uninspiring performance.

Ghost Hardware · Dec 5, 2013

Sandro said:
I'm inclined to strongly agree with the commentary in bold (especially so in the case of italic bold).
I've been hoping AVB can snap out of it, and play Lamela behind the striker in the #10 role.
It wouldn't hurt to try Lewis in a deeper "regista" type position as well. I think while Eriksen is out, Holtby linking up to Lamela (from DM to CAM respectively) would be an interesting approach in the creative play-making sense.
Also, someone like Capoue or Sandro could be the primary DM in the double pivot (next to Lewis).
Then we can play Lennon and Townsend out wide (both providing explosive pace and energy from the flanks during counter-attacks).
The aforesaid lineup should provide sufficient vision, creativity, and guile, coupled with speed and intensity.
There is only one nagging feeling I can't seem to shake, that perhaps the presence of a physically strong, direct, imposing, and athletic number 9 in the mold of Lukaku or Benteke would complete the package, and pave the way to success.

I completely agree with this and have been hoping to see Lamela in the 10 role for a while now. If it doesn't work the we can move him out right when Eriksens back but if it does work them we can play Eriksen on the left when fit. Ether way, Holtby at CM and Lamela at ACM on Saturday please AVB.

DiscoD1882 · Dec 5, 2013

This thread has thoroughly fucked me off tonight. Some of the shit I have read has been scandalous. There are some people on here with massive driven agendas Who can't even enjoy a victory??? no matter how it came about. I am fucking horrified. Won't be in here next match thread for sure.

HotspurFC1950 · Dec 5, 2013

Vulcan10 said:
He's standing there with his mouth wide open in disbelief while a member of the back room staff appear to be explaining to him that we've scored ha ha. I don't know wether to be thrilled that he has such an endearingly fun character or concerned that our 26million centre forward gets so confused at the idea of us scoring goals lol

He's yawning.

Mr Pink · Dec 5, 2013

Stoof said:
I just don't understand how people can get so miserable over a win. No it wasn't electrifying - but it wasn't the dross that George Graham and Christian Gross served up. We used to win about 2 away games all season then.

I just wonder where the perspective is. Yes, by all means analyse the fuck out of a game but how you can draw any real conclusions and start to get worried about the next game is beyond me. Just enjoy it. Please? Otherwise there's really no point at all is there?

I agree with you mate. But there is no harm with keeping some perspective on it. I still have concerns but that doesn't mean I'm not delighted we won tonight, I am - over the moon with those three points and the spirit we showed to turn it around.

Our spirit does not worry me, its just the way we move the ball. I'll not go over it again as it gets boring saying the same thing over and over again but just wanted to point out that some are happy with the result but still concerned with performances because in the end its the latter that will breed consistency with the former.

Ironically we deserved the three points on Sunday more than tonight but they've ended up balancing each other out probably.

Stoof · Dec 5, 2013

Mr Pink said:
I agree with you mate. But there is no harm with keeping some perspective on it. I still have concerns but that doesn't mean I'm not delighted we won tonight, I am - over the moon with those three points and the spirit we showed to turn it around.

Our spirit does not worry me, its just the way we move the ball. I'll not go over it again as it gets boring saying the same thing over and over again but just wanted to point that some are happy with the result but still concerned with performance because in the end its the latter that will breed consistency with the former.

That only comes when players know each other. I really think it's that simple. We just need to let it prove and prove again. Then we'll get a good rise with no soggy bottoms. Boom.

Dharmabum · Dec 5, 2013

For a few weeks now almost every paper in England have wanted Andre sacked, having mentioned like 101 candidates of possible replacements, eagerly publishing how the bookies odds have been slashed on Andre being sacked, and so many Spurs over eagerly wanting him sacked too; and on top of that a former owner, Lack-of-class Sugar, repeatedly makes to world "know" how clueless Andre is....and yet the same fans who boo Andre, wanted him sacked etc etc want Andre to throw all caution to the wind and have Spurs play scintillating, all attacking football, "forgetting" the defending side of football.
Yes, I would have liked to have seen better football played today but Spurs was not as bad as many of you fans claim. Even after the loss to Toons, when Spurs had 34 shoots (!) at goal, people complained that Spurs played shit. Andre's under tremendous pressure, and the players feel some of that pressure too, so Andre's priorities for now will be to win games, by hook or by crook which means playing solid defence.
Unfortunately, many of the Spurs have already made their minds up that they want Andre sacked, and some will keep on making that known at games; something that for sure won't help the team (spirit). The team need support. Not long ago Gooner fans were screaming for Wenger to be sacked; and even Fergie almost sacked at ManU at one stage. No, Andre's is not in their class, not yet at least, but at least give him so time.
Some times the best prayers are those that are not "answered".
PS! It's not as if I don't have question marks about Andre's abilities and I am not 100 % convinced about him either but the team, and Andre, still need support. Even Andre has spoken about how important the atmosphere among the fans helps the players.
PS! When a goalie make excellent saves it is also part of the whole team performance: just as wehn goals are scored it wind games, goals "saved" also help win games.

Spur4life · Dec 5, 2013

Ok we never played well tonite but like they say win is a win and 3 points is 3. Coming into December avb will and needs to rotate and get max points.

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