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The Mourinho one always makes me laugh. He was also assistant to Jupp Heynckes when he was at Benfica.
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The Mourinho one always makes me laugh. He was also assistant to Jupp Heynckes when he was at Benfica.
Doesn't chage the fact that his 1st job as head coach was at top flight. But if you want extreme example, Mancini had same experience at coaching as my morning dump when he took over at Fiorentina. Yet won Coppa straightaway.
When Alex was at Spurs I know exactly what role he played. I'm not giving an opinion but facts.
Credit to Tim for that result but that's one result. My point is that AI & CR gave had a bigger hand in the success of our youth teams than TS has. I know this, it's not opinion! And despite what anyone says about the 21s setup a lot of club coaches would prefer the old system if reserve league football as they believe it prepares players better for first team than the 21 system. These coaches are people who have been involved in the game at the top level all their career. The 21s system is closer to youth/academy football than it is the first team.
And coaching young players /development is different to coaching established international footballers. It's not to say that coaches can't step up because countless numbers have but experience at 21s/youth/academy isn't enough. The environment is different and serving an apprenticeship at first team level is a must IMO - that means, assistant manager/coach type roles. I also know for a fact that TS does not believe or trust in modern footballing philosophies of sports science support - instead he "trusts his eye". This again is fact not opinion.
Most of our first team squad would not know Tim for being a player but for his role at the club over the last two years and in that time he has had little contact with our first team squad & done very little else of note. I can only imagine what some players are thinking & fear that some will want out if we finish 7/8th and further away from CL qualification than when they signed!
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Why do you dislike that my preference for our new Head Coach was someone with a little more experience than helping out with the U21's?
We have so many new players that need integrating into the side that I believed an experienced coach with a good track record of being able to bring new player together would have been the way to go.
I have at no point said appointing an inexperienced coach doesn't work when done in the correct circumstances but I don't think the circumstances were right for us to do that.
CR is part of the setup so what's the problem? Seems like personal thing to me.
So he isn't like Big Sam then?
I reckon many would've wanted out had AVB stayed (and we wouldn't have finished any higher), so hardly a difference there.
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Surely the issue here isn't really the various precedence for clubs who have promoted from within successfully, but whether promoting from within is the right choice for us at this time.
Is a high-pressure role in a competitive league with a hugely expensive but under-performing squad and a demanding Chairman the best choice for a brand new coach?
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As a manager, Sherwood isn't in the same league as AVB. Levy should've just given him the players he asked for and let him do his job, instead of dropping players on his doorstep, and demand that he make it work with them.
Regardless of whether or not it was mutually acceptable to part company with AVB - we had the perfectly good platform to go places, but Micro-managing the guy seemed more important to Levy and co. After AVB wouldn't have any of it, they had to depose the guy and install their own Shah, even if it meant compromising on credentials.
While I wish the former youth team coordinator all the best, even the most ardent supporters of Levy have to raise an eyebrow or two here...
Regardless of whether or not it was mutually acceptable to part company with AVB - we had the perfectly good platform to go places, but Micro-managing the guy seemed more important to Levy and co. After AVB wouldn't have any of it, they had to depose the guy and install their own Shah, even if it meant compromising on credentials.
While I wish the former youth team coordinator all the best, even the most ardent supporters of Levy have to raise an eyebrow or two here...
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I do not for 1 minute think anyone seriously wants Sherwood out already, any sane person anyway.
To have of course but to want him out after 2 games is madness
You can have your preferences, though empiricism tells that you can start at the top flight. And you don't have to look further than Spurs to know past CV, past trophies, past winning percentages guarantee fuck all. Any appointment is a risk, we've already made ours. So letting the appointed at least have few training sessions before chopping him to pieces would be nice.
I really, really hope so. If he was, I might join throwing rocks at Tim.
I can give at least 2 names, but the sane part might be debatable.
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Bringing in a high profile foreign head coach has never worked at Tottenham
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I'll want him to do well as long as he is employee of our club but that won't stop me from pointing out what I believe is wrong even if it is only 3 games into his tenure as Head Coach.
As I have said hopefully Sherwood can prove me completely wrong and we nail it in the second half the season to finish top 5 but somehow I am not optimistic.
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I didn't say it has...?
What would have been wrong with bringing in somebody like Steve Clarke to steady the ship?
Off With His Head!!!! HUZZAH!!!! that's the spirit
BTW - are you Capoue's agent?...
No. We needed a DM and Capoue is a DM so play him. This is the simple football Sherwood speaks about.
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How can you say that, no one knows this
I would say he's no Wenger, Mourinho, Pochettino. The biggest example in PL of a modern and receptive manager to new methods and philosophies is BR at Liverpool - again fact. He employs a head of conditioning who has a hand in planning sessions, monitors the intensity that players train at, the quality of that work - using performance indicators, the efficiency of their work etc. each player at Liverpool has a threshold that they need to hit in order to perform at their optimum level on match day. To do this training load is monitored constantly. By mid week before a weekend game (for example) the coaching staff know who is on course to hit that threshold, who needs to taper (as they will overtrain otherwise), and who needs to do extra work. Each players threshold is different and so their plan is individualised. This is a small snippet of what Liverpool's back room staff do ( I could write an essay on it so won't bore you) but essentially these re things you can't know through using your eye.
As for Big Sam I actually know the Head of Conditioning he had at Bolton and he is one of the most respected worldwide. He doesn't work with him at West Ham and is currently employed by top clubs and national teams in consultancy capacity. I don't know what Big Sam uses/does so can't comment on how good it is.
We couldn't look anymore amateur than Sherwood did yesterday. Not playing Capoue and not even bringing him on when Holtby came off.
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I didn't say it has...?
What would have been wrong with bringing in somebody like Steve Clarke to steady the ship?
Because it's better IMHO to employ from within
When Redknapp left I wanted Sherwood then so I am delighted he has a chance to show what he can do now and that Levy has given him the length of contract he has
That's not fact, actually it's quite far from it. If you want to state it as a fact, you ought to have some meter how to compare him with others when it comes to new methods and philosophies.
