Sherwood has gone!

[eddiebailey]

With a squad that's basically been assembled in the last three transfer windows, and where or "veterans" that still have something to contribute to the first team are Walker, Lennon, Sandro, Defoe, Dawson and Adebayor (dwell for a minute on the quality of the last three...) what we would need now is someone that installs calmness, authority and some granddad-like qualities that makes the players believe that things will get better.

Someone experienced that that can point to his trophy cabinet and demand respect on merit alone. Even if it was just someone looking for a last payday, it would have a chance of letting all our talented players settle, find their feet and grow accustomed to the club. Some of them could very well grow into leaders at the club and form a spine.

Absolutely, Walker and Sandro were able to find their feet in a team that included the likes of Friedel, Gallas, King, Parker and Van der Vaart, all leaders on the pitch.

After the Soton game, Tim said he had come down to the dugout because he saw changes were needed on the pitch, but he could not get his message across until half time.

I recall Martin Jol saying that when he was a player once the whistle blew it wasn't the manager who was in charge, it was him; if he saw a problem he used his authority with the other players to fix it.

We no longer have players who can do that - AVB did not want players who would do that!

We should be looking to bring someone in; the question is who?

 

[Yid1987]

Wasn't Christian first one to bring seperate fitness coach to PL?

Appointing a fitness coach doesn't mean success. It's what the fitness coach does that matters. I don't know how good Gross' fitness coach was so can't comment

 

[Kiedis]

We no longer have players who can do that - AVB did not want players who would do that!

I'm not going to make this and AVB thread, but the whole basis of AVBs method was to coach players into being able to make choices and adaptations based on what happened on the field.

From a piece:

“We work a lot on instant decision-making for the good of the team. You can teach them things individually but the decision on the pitch belongs to them. And sometimes it’s not exactly what the manager has taught. Instinct is so vital because everything changes very quickly in game situations. Of course you want to see the team play attractive attacking football. But with great freedom of decision. The players take more pleasure in it. You teach them how to manage an experience, they take the decision.”

 

[Yid1987]

Spot on! Do we know if De Boer and Van Gaal use Sports Science?

Ajax are well advanced with modern philosophies so would have thought so but can't be sure as I don't know as a fact.

As an example of the benefits of sport science take Jordan Henderson. Lots mentioned his running style as awkward and poor. Look how efficient he is now! Liverpool have worked on this!

 

[FinnYid]

Appointing a fitness coach doesn't mean success. It's what the fitness coach does that matters. I don't know how good Gross' fitness coach was so can't comment

The point was that he was the pioneer on that section on PL. Wether fitness coach was good or bad is irrelevant, the point that it was first is relevant.

 

[strader]

How the fuck can anyone be positive judging by his first 3 games?

We lost at home to a 2nd string spammers at HOME

We drew with managerless WBA missing 4 key players.At home

The only shred of positive was that 20min spell after going 3-2 up at Saints...Ade unplayable had alot to do with that .

Even my 10yold knows that Dawson can't play in a flat high line, so Sherwood adresses that by sticking with it and getting rid of any protection too.We got done 5 and 6 to good sides, with this team selection it will 8 and 9 against the really top sides.

Capoue not starting was staggering, and on seeing that i knew we would be exposed, and we didn't disappoint, if WBA had a striker we would have lost for sure.


All this 'Don't boo' i agree with....but don't tell me to give something so wrong a chance.

In the most kindest of terms you hit the nail on the head.
Against the saints it was all well and good going for broke as he wasn’t the full time manager/head coach/whatever way the job is called; however now it’s just plain suicide going for two supposedly num 10 in a CM role.
Probably injuries or saving capoue/sandro for the stoke game. becos if we don’t play with a CDM against stoke, you might as well throw in the towel.

 

[Yid1987]

The point was that he was the pioneer on that section on PL. Wether fitness coach was good or bad is irrelevant, the point that it was first is relevant.[/quote

It is relevant as I stated Wenger was years ahead - by this I mean knew and understood modern methods and philosophies and was able to implement appropriately. I'm not talking people who appoint them with no idea of what they should do so it's a massive difference and very relevant.

 

[Josiebyar]

As a manager, Sherwood isn't in the same league as AVB. Levy should've just given him the players he asked for and let him do his job, instead of dropping players on his doorstep, and demand that he make it work with them.

Regardless of whether or not it was mutually acceptable to part company with AVB - we had the perfectly good platform to go places, but Micro-managing the guy seemed more important to Levy and co. After AVB wouldn't have any of it, they had to depose the guy and install their own Shah, even if it meant compromising on credentials.

While I wish the former youth team coordinator all the best, even the most ardent supporters of Levy have to raise an eyebrow or two here...

You hit the nail there mate!

 

[FinnYid]

It is relevant as I stated Wenger was years ahead - by this I mean knew and understood modern methods and philosophies and was able to implement appropriately. I'm not talking people who appoint them with no idea of what they should do so it's a massive difference and very relevant.

Well, he knew when it came to physical side and he was well ahead of time. That alone hardly guarantees any sort of success, good example on that one too.

 

[eddiebailey]

I'm not going to make this and AVB thread, but the whole basis of AVBs method was to coach players into being able to make choices and adaptations based on what happened on the field.

From a piece:

“We work a lot on instant decision-making for the good of the team. You can teach them things individually but the decision on the pitch belongs to them. And sometimes it’s not exactly what the manager has taught. Instinct is so vital because everything changes very quickly in game situations. Of course you want to see the team play attractive attacking football. But with great freedom of decision. The players take more pleasure in it. You teach them how to manage an experience, they take the decision.”

With AVB there was always a gap between theory and practice.

 

[Josiebyar]

I also know for a fact AVB was the same! Are you saying we should be looking for a manager who uses sports science to help us improve on the pitch?

WTF?

You do know what AVBs role in Mourinhos team was don't you?

 

[firenze]

The key thing over the next 3 months is seeing evidence of tim learning.

The first 3 games have proved he cant play 4-4-2 with our squad and most importantly, the modern game doesnt allow it.

So if we see changes in the next 4-5 games that suggest he is moving away from that i will be happy.

We have to give him time to implement his ideas. And that takes time on the training pitch which he is yet to have.

 

[Misfit]

WTF?

You do know what AVBs role in Mourinhos team was don't you?

Scouting the opposition I thought?

 

[Yid1987]

WTF?

You do know what AVBs role in Mourinhos team was don't you?

Opposition scout. That's performance analysis & stats not sport science mate. SS is physical & psychological conditioning.

 

[FinnYid]

the modern game doesnt allow it.

Latter part simply isn't true, even this season Manchester City and Atletico Madrid - both on last 16 of CL and top 2 of their leagues play 4-4-2. You can go on about Y.Toure and so on, but modern game allows it. There is evidence to back it up. Though as for us, our material isn't quite suited for it. Though someone might ask what our material is optimal for?

 

[Yid1987]

Well, he knew when it came to physical side and he was well ahead of time. That alone hardly guarantees any sort of success, good example on that one too.

No it doesn't guarantee success as I said earlier but it's one fundamental element along with technical, tactical and analysis. The more you use the better the chances of being successful.

 

[FinnYid]

No it doesn't guarantee success as I said earlier but it's one fundamental element along with technical, tactical and analysis.

I agree, however techincal, tactical, sports science and analysis even together aren't nearly enough. It's still a leadership position in an organisation and leadership qualities are vital as they would be in any organisation for such a position. Even more perhaps as I reckon footballing millionaires aren't neccesarily the easiest people to be superior to.

 

[CrazyHeart]

Hopefully the league he is in is the Premiership; AVB was mentally still in Portugal.

It would be very interesting to see how Porto would have fared in the Premiership, and if AVB had been given a free hand and an unlimited budget we would probably have got the chance.

I think less interference would've done the trick. As far as budgets are concerned - AVB's targets Moutinho and Hulk were considerably less than Lamela, Eriksen, Chiriches and Chadli combined.

 

[FinnYid]

I think less interference would've done the trick. As far as budgets are concerned - AVB's targets Moutinho and Hulk were considerably less than Lamela, Eriksen, Chiriches and Chadli combined.

Moutinho and Hulk moved for what, combined £70m out of Porto. Surely we might have had Hulk bit cheaper from the Zenit, but then again he would've demanded huge wages he was earning there.

Lamela, Eriksen, Chiriches and Chadli cost combined lot less than that £70m.

Oh, and I am pretty glad we never went the Hulk route.

 

[Misfit]

I still absolutely lurve every single bit of business we did this summer, except not getting in a LB and selling Caulker and even then, we had a rip-snorter of a transfer window.