Spurs_Bear
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Shut up and finish the washing up.
AVB on Levy and the direction of the club
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Shut up and finish the washing up.
Bus-Conductor
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Fuck off, I've got a headache.
kendoddsdadsdogsdead
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That's the point, 72 points was obviously easier last season because there were 4 teams that got that or above whereas the season before only three teams could manage 68 or above. Meaning the league is stronger overall.
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How is sacking a poor manager bottling it? All I can say is thank fucking Christ almighty he did sack him
eddiebailey
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Levy has not always got it rigth when it comes to managers, but I do not think any of the sackings could be described as Levy bottling it:
Graham - lined for the push before Levy took over
Hoddle - if anything Levy bottled it by giving him too long
Pleat - never intended as a permanent appointment
Santini - never wanted the job and jumped ship at the first opportunity
Jol - his sacking was less an issue than the circumstances that made it inevitable; Levy backed Comolli when he should have kept faith with the big man
Ramos - we were in freefall
Redknapp - the easy, and probably correct, decision would have been to stick with him
Villas-Boas - Levy put him out of his misery.
Graham - lined for the push before Levy took over
Hoddle - if anything Levy bottled it by giving him too long
Pleat - never intended as a permanent appointment
Santini - never wanted the job and jumped ship at the first opportunity
Jol - his sacking was less an issue than the circumstances that made it inevitable; Levy backed Comolli when he should have kept faith with the big man
Ramos - we were in freefall
Redknapp - the easy, and probably correct, decision would have been to stick with him
Villas-Boas - Levy put him out of his misery.
Spurger King
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Tricky one really. Our appeal was pretty high after that season, despite missing out on CL. From Levy's perspective, he and the club had stuck by Harry during his court case, only for Harry to seemingly wreck our run-in by allowing himself to be distracted by the possibility of the England job. Then there was ITK saying Harry was texting Levy asking for a pay rise, in the middle of Levy's mother's funeral.
For me, Harry made it clear where his priorities were, and they weren't with us. I'm not sure Levy could risk seeing a repeat of the situation if Woy got sacked from the England job...plus our performances and results had dipped badly under Harry.
I felt AVB was an ambitious and positive appointment at the time, and a good choice to push on from the previous season. With hindsight it looks like AVB was too much of an extreme manager change in the opposite direction, but I can certainly understand why Levy felt he would be a good person to replace Harry.
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You can only control what you do, not what anyone else does. If you get more points than ever before that's obviously a better performance than ever before. If it's not enough then that's bad luck, but nothing you can do about it.
In summary, 72 points was obviously our best ever Premier League performance, but 5th was not our best result. That's just hard luck.
In summary, 72 points was obviously our best ever Premier League performance, but 5th was not our best result. That's just hard luck.
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Bolls...
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In 2010/11 Man United won the league with 80 points, the following year they obtained 89 points, but came second in the league.
Do you reckon they put that down to bad luck? Or went around saying they'd achieved more or performed better even though they had lost the league to Man City?
Do me a favour.
Do you reckon they put that down to bad luck? Or went around saying they'd achieved more or performed better even though they had lost the league to Man City?
Do me a favour.
Quote from Ancelloti this week.
At the moment, the two goalkeepers are playing alternate matches and so Iker is as much our first choice as Diego Lopez."
I accept that this is a diplomatic solution to a current problem
but does not prove that your original statement
that 'Casillas was gash' was not a grossly overstated judgment in the first place.
Lopez is a seriously good keeper and keeps his place on meritin La Liga.
I wish we had as good abackup to Hugo.
Iker has played in all the cup games and the Champions League.
Spurger King
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It's not hard luck at all. It means that four teams were better at taking points off the rest of the league than us. You could also argue that given the amount of points taken by those four teams, the standard of the rest of the division was fairly low compared to other seasons.
A lot of people also seem to forget that we were pretty poor in the last quarter of the previous season, with Harry's focus elsewhere, yet AVB's Tottenham only just managed to do slightly better in terms of points.
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I don't agree that Lopez is that good, and it was one of the reasons that Mourinho took so much abuse for the decision in the first place, as the fans couldn't accept that Casillas' level had fallen dramatically. Now Lopez looks like a decent keeper but he's not performing anywhere near to the level that Casillas did before his drop in form.
As far as my original post is concerned, I retract 'gash', apologise, and replace with 'in poor form'.
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I agree with the general consensus that points don't mean much outside of the position they put you in (69 and 4th would obviously be my preference over 72 and 5th).
Having said that, considering neither amount of points or final position got us champions league and the difference in the players available during the two seasons I think last year was a better achievement than the year before.
Having said that, considering neither amount of points or final position got us champions league and the difference in the players available during the two seasons I think last year was a better achievement than the year before.
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There's a shock!
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mattstev2000
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Meh, you gotta go with what's familiar. It's probably why you and BC haven't split up yet.
Honestly though, 72 points and no champions league with Dempsey, Dembele and Verts as your spine is a better achievement than 69 points and no champions league with VDV, Modric and King. So there.
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Seems the points v position debate is still dragging on, strangely.
I'm not sure why because comparing points total's across seasons are largely pointless. The only real value in that is if you took a trend of our points totals over a long period of time. If they were steadily rising, you could argue that it shows clear progress.
Comparing one season to another though is missing the point. The league is just a comparison of our relative performance against 19 other competitors in that particular season. Just because we can't control the other results, ours and others points totals are linked due to the competitiveness of the league.
I'm not sure why because comparing points total's across seasons are largely pointless. The only real value in that is if you took a trend of our points totals over a long period of time. If they were steadily rising, you could argue that it shows clear progress.
Comparing one season to another though is missing the point. The league is just a comparison of our relative performance against 19 other competitors in that particular season. Just because we can't control the other results, ours and others points totals are linked due to the competitiveness of the league.
mattstev2000
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...also, just so you don't think I'm just being anti wobbly chops (I know you get sensitive about him), I think the 4th and champions league with Huddlestone and Palacios as midfield fulcrums was a better achievement than last years 'record points total'.
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I don't think either of them are achievements to be honest.
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Obviously, we massively fucked up in 11/12 when we should have been 3rd and out of sight. 4th with a quartet of strikers in Pav/Crouch/Defoe/Keane is the nearest we've come to 'achievement' in recent years.
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