West Brom Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

yankspurs · Apr 13, 2014

davidmatzdorf said:
I have a simple policy and it has nothing to do with what people think about the Spurs hierarchy (whose main defect, as I have written about 8 times over the past few weeks, is their propensity for serial manager-sacking).

The policy is: anyone who posts an abusive or scornful comment about a Spurs player or manager without providing an argument gets a 'dislike'. I especially concentrate on doling out such ratings to people who air clichés of the 'Huddlestone is fat', 'Dawson is useless' and 'sell Lennon' variety.

If you have something critical, angry or abusive to say about one of our players or staff, then post a rationale to back up your view. One-line expressions of unsupported opinion are a waste of space.

People here seem to confuse 'I have a right to my opinion' with 'all I have to do is to state my opinion'. There's no content to a statement of opinion. It needs an argument or it's basically an act of public masturbation. If all people can be arsed to do is to barf up their unadorned opinion in public, under the misapprehension that they are saying something interesting or useful, then they have an obligation to STFU. If they insist on treating us to their content-free nastiness, then they get a 'dislike' from me.

I find that making use of the ratings system here saves a lot of online rows.

You want an argument as to why I said Sandro isnt playing becue he's a dm? Look no further than your man crush's boy, Les Ferdinand.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/28/totte...ding-midfielders-are-a-waste-of-time-4280699/

Boom. Roasted.

Thank you, come again.

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spud · Apr 13, 2014

A little while ago I wrote that I was expecting a clusterfuck for the rest of the season. I see that I am not going to be disappointed. We are a shambles of epic proportions.

Special mention for Danny Rose today. He doesn't offer much when he goes forward, either crossing it against the first defender or ballooning it to the far side of the area. He doesn't appear to be able to defend very well. He joins the attack at the same time that the ball is going along our right side, meaning that neither full back is in a position to defend. And he doesn't track back - or, rather, he jogs slowly back into position.

Sorry Danny, you've lived off that fluke volley against the goons for long enough. Unless you improve considerably, in all aspects of your game, you will never be good enough to play in a Premier League team.

Mr Pink · Apr 13, 2014

Lets be honest, the horror show started as soon as Rose was beaten right in the corner, and beaten so easily when no attacker had the right to get out of such a corner with such ease.

Crosses wern't prevented enough by either side and both teams defended poorly when the crosses came in, just wern;t able to deal with them.

Sweetsman · Apr 13, 2014

davidmatzdorf said:
I have a simple policy and it has nothing to do with what people think about the Spurs hierarchy (whose main defect, as I have written about 8 times over the past few weeks, is their propensity for serial manager-sacking).

The policy is: anyone who posts an abusive or scornful comment about a Spurs player or manager without providing an argument gets a 'dislike'. I especially concentrate on doling out such ratings to people who air clichés of the 'Huddlestone is fat', 'Dawson is useless' and 'sell Lennon' variety.

If you have something critical, angry or abusive to say about one of our players or staff, then post a rationale to back up your view. One-line expressions of unsupported opinion are a waste of space.

People here seem to confuse 'I have a right to my opinion' with 'all I have to do is to state my opinion'. There's no content to a statement of opinion. It needs an argument or it's basically an act of public masturbation. If all people can be arsed to do is to barf up their unadorned opinion in public, under the misapprehension that they are saying something interesting or useful, then they have an obligation to STFU. If they insist on treating us to their content-free nastiness, then they get a 'dislike' from me.

I find that making use of the ratings system here saves a lot of online rows.

You wrote all that just to explain why you gave a dislike. I just thought it was because you didn't agree with what I said. I'm not going to waste my time drawing a crayon picture for you to explain my statements. Just for the record, I agree with what you have to say most of the time.

Tom Pops · Apr 13, 2014

CarrickSpurgus said:
Just watched the game on sky,how poor is danny rose ,he has no positional sense, no attacking threat and he's as lazy as fuck he has to go

It's insulting how poor he is

yankspurs · Apr 13, 2014

Sweetsman said:
You wrote all that just to explain why you gave a dislike. I just thought it was because you didn't agree with what I said. I'm not going to waste my time drawing a crayon picture for you to explain my statements.

Dont bother with him. Just have fun with it. At this point, he's as hopeless as finn, dinghy and eddie. Let them be. Soon enough Timmeh will be gone and they'll be crying in a corner.

yankspurs · Apr 13, 2014

Tom Pops said:
It's insulting how poor he is.

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Spursidol · Apr 13, 2014

jezz said:
We've got fcuk all to play for.
Now is a good time as any to give youth a go
Veljkovic should have been given a game as DM

In order to ease the 18 year old in gradually I'd give him at least 2 or 3 sub appearances before his full PL debut - don't want to ruin his confidence by dumping him into the first team side.

Azazello · Apr 13, 2014

thinktank said:
The MOTD commentator for our game was a nutter, he said Kane got his first goal against 'tottenham' last week; said lennon put the cross in for our deflected goal and called adebayor 'antibayor', like wtf??

Must've been David Pleat in disguise.

TheGreenLily · Apr 13, 2014

davidmatzdorf said:
I have a simple policy and it has nothing to do with what people think about the Spurs hierarchy (whose main defect, as I have written about 8 times over the past few weeks, is their propensity for serial manager-sacking).

The policy is: anyone who posts an abusive or scornful comment about a Spurs player or manager without providing an argument gets a 'dislike'. I especially concentrate on doling out such ratings to people who air clichés of the 'Huddlestone is fat', 'Dawson is useless' and 'sell Lennon' variety.

If you have something critical, angry or abusive to say about one of our players or staff, then post a rationale to back up your view. One-line expressions of unsupported opinion are a waste of space.

People here seem to confuse 'I have a right to my opinion' with 'all I have to do is to state my opinion'. There's no content to a statement of opinion. It needs an argument or it's basically an act of public masturbation. If all people can be arsed to do is to barf up their unadorned opinion in public, under the misapprehension that they are saying something interesting or useful, then they have an obligation to STFU. If they insist on treating us to their content-free nastiness, then they get a 'dislike' from me.

I find that making use of the ratings system here saves a lot of online rows.

I think people have the right too, to a certain degree.

These players earn... What £80,000 a week to play a professional game, with a large chunk of the wages coming in part from some people who earn £200-£300 a week, working their arse off for 40 hours a week or more doing whatever job they can to see them play... and they turn up like a rude boy and give it attitude...

I think I would be very vocal too.

More over, not everyone wants to write an essay on every point they make. If you want to write en essay, good for you and I am glad that you do, that is your choice to do so. But you are not everybody and to me it is nothing short of being childish to neg rep someone because they can summarise how they feel in a short sentence and convey their emotion about what they have seen for something which they are passionate about.

It is completely out of order going around neg repping someone, because of the length of the reply or it doesn't meet your standard, pathetic. All that does is make you sound like a stuck up twat (No I am not saying you are, just that it makes you sound like one). "I am going to neg rep you, because your standard of English falls beneath the required 2:1, and you have not justified with given examples explaining the key factors of your choice towards your own personal opinion. And no, coming back from the pub or being highly emotional after a defeat/win is an acceptable excuse to not write the essay, which I demand to justify your reasons". I am sorry, but that is simply nothing but a joke of an attitude to have, IMO.

What if I started neg repping you, because you have not written a 3000 word essay, with given references properly added using the harvard system... What would that make me look like? Any guesses?

davidmatzdorf · Apr 13, 2014

yankspurs said:
You want an argument as to why I said Sandro isnt playing becue he's a dm? Look no further than your man crush's boy, Les Ferdinand.

I have no view on why Sandro wasn't playing and never wrote anything on the subject. You're thinking of someone else.

And who's my 'man crush'? Sherwood? My opinion is that I don't think he's experienced enough to handle this job at this stage in his career. But I generally haven't bothered to say so, because I have more interesting things to say than just constantly restating my unsupported yea/nay judgments on individual players and managers.

As for the 'dislike' ratings, generally I dislike people's posts, i.e., what they say, but in your case I actually dislike you. I think you're an highly unpleasant, indeed an actively nasty person.

Tom Pops · Apr 13, 2014

TheGreenLily said:
I think people have the right too, to a certain degree.

These players earn... What £80,000 a week to play a professional game, with a large chunk of the wages coming in part from some people who earn £200-£300 a week, working their arse off for 40 hours a week or more doing whatever job they can to see them play... and they turn up like a rude boy and give it attitude...

I think I would I would be very vocal too.

More over, not everyone wants to write an essay on every point they make. If you want to write en essay, good for you and I am glad that you do, that is your choice to do so. But you are not everybody and to me it is nothing but childish to neg rep someone because they can summarise how they feel in a short sentence and convey their emotion about what they have seen or how they fell about something for which they are passionate about.

It is completely out of order going around neg repping someone, because of the length of the reply or it doesn't meet your standard, pathetic. All that does is make you sound like is a stuck up twat (No I am not saying you are, just that it makes you sound like one). "I am going to neg rep you, because your standard of English falls beneath the required 2:1, and you have not justified with given examples explaining the key factors of your choice towards your own personal opinion. And no, coming back from the pub or being highly emotional after a defeat/win is an acceptable excuse to not write the essay, which I demand to justify your reasons". I am sorry, but that is simply nothing but a joke of an attitude to have, IMO.

What if I started neg repping you, because you have not written a 3000 word essay, with given references properly added using the harvard system... What would that make me look like? Any guesses?

I do agree but it's not worth it honestly

It's just a little picture of a thumbs down. So childish that people seem to get a kick out of doing it

Gaz_Gammon · Apr 13, 2014

Sweetsman said:
Hmmm, that got a bit tasty on MOTD. Lineker looked concerned that there may be fisticuffs. I don't understand why Fowler is trying to excuse a blatant pull-back.
BTW, Matzdorf decries the questioning of Sherwood's tactical aptitude. If you haven't seen this in the manner of our play during his tenure, then you are blind. The harum-scarum defending illustrates poor coaching. The early goals show a lack of preparation. On a positive note, I think Kane is doing well.

Rose was a fucking disaster long before Sherwood came along. He was at fault for their opener and one or two others.

The early goals only indicate one thing that Chiriches, Rose and Naughton are average at best, and are not CL potential players in any side. You don't need a trip to Specsavers to see that.

yankspurs · Apr 13, 2014

davidmatzdorf said:
I have no view on why Sandro wasn't playing and never wrote anything on the subject. You're thinking of someone else.

And who's my 'man crush'? Sherwood? My opinion is that I don't think he's experienced enough to handle this job at this stage in his career. But I generally haven't bothered to say so, because I have more interesting things to say than just constantly restating my unsupported yea/nay judgments on individual players and managers.

As for the 'dislike' ratings, generally I dislike people's posts, i.e., what they say, but in your case I actually dislike you. I think you're an highly unpleasant, indeed an actively nasty person.

Actually, Im very nice and pleasent in person. On here, it seems Im nasty beause I have nothing nice to say about Sherwood. Also because my humor is lost on you brits, so it seems im being an asshole 100% of the time, when its usually only 25%

Legend10 · Apr 13, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
So you don't find it a little curious when Sherwood publicly stated that he didn't know why Ade was left out under AVB?

No.

What would you expect him to say, that he loves his hat?

TheGreenLily · Apr 13, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
Rose was a fucking disaster long before Sherwood came along. He was at fault for their opener and one or two others.

The early goals only indicate one thing that Chiriches, Rose and Naughton are average at best, and are not CL potential players in any side. You don't need a trip to Specsavers to see that.

Ummm, but wasn't Vlad blatantly fouled for the 1st (especially) and 3rd goals... As for the 3rd, Kaboul left Vlad in the shit, big time and I saw Vlad trying to get back and save the situation.

I haven't seen the first half, but I will watch it another time, but the highlights showed me that Vlad wasn't at fault for all three of them goals.

WiganSpur · Apr 13, 2014

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/28/totte...ding-midfielders-are-a-waste-of-time-4280699/
Christ, we're always blaming Tim but some of the coaches have to take stick as well. Absolutely no wonder we're a mess defensively if that's what they are thinking. They are still in the dark ages and are assuming the opposition always go 442 there. What do you do when the opponent has a top CAM that has been told to play between the lines?

Tom Pops · Apr 13, 2014

WiganSpur said:
http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/28/totte...ding-midfielders-are-a-waste-of-time-4280699/
Christ, we're always blaming Tim but some of the coaches have to take stick as well. Absolutely no wonder we're a mess defensively if that's what they are thinking. They are still in the dark ages and assume the opposition go 442. What do you do when the opponent has a top CAM that has been told to play between the lines?

Was funny the following day we got destroyed by Man City 5-1 at home, a team with a holding midfielder.

Was hoping Sir Les and Tim had adapted since then but we seem to be a bit sporadic as to whether we play a holding midfielder or not.

davidmatzdorf · Apr 13, 2014

Sweetsman said:
BTW, Matzdorf decries the questioning of Sherwood's tactical aptitude. If you haven't seen this in the manner of our play during his tenure, then you are blind. The harum-scarum defending illustrates poor coaching. The early goals show a lack of preparation. On a positive note, I think Kane is doing well.

You haven't read my post properly. I'm drawing a distinction between tactics and coaching. The problem isn't 'tactics', in the sense of formation or team shape. It's 'coaching', as is shown by the ridiculous number of goals that are being conceded as a result of individual attacks of lack of concentration and failures of communication between players.

This is also visible in the fact that the daft goals are almost always being conceded early in matches and that we often get back on level terms, or come from behind to win, without actually changing the tactics (formation, team shape) or making meaningful substitutions. What I see is individual players starting matches in an unprepared frame of mind and the team not setting off with a coordinated, positive collective mentality. Basically, we usually don't start to play until we are 1 or 2 goals behind. That's a failure of man-management and a lack of team-spirit, not the result of incorrect tactics. The same faults are on display whether we play 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 and irrespective of which starting 11 Sherwood picks.

These problems are also not entirely peculiar to Sherwood - we were also unable to score early goals under AVB, but at least we kept the ball and our shape and usually didn't concede idiotic early goals.

The public image is that Sherwood is tactically naive, but has somehow inherited Redknapp's team-and-individual-management skills, perhaps just by virtue of him being English. I'm suggesting that our performances show that the underlying problems are not tactical, they are issues of team spirit and individual mentality. Whichever is the case, it is the manager's responsibility to deal with it and neither AVB nor Sherwood have done so.

thinktank · Apr 13, 2014

WiganSpur said:
http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/28/totte...ding-midfielders-are-a-waste-of-time-4280699/
Christ, we're always blaming Tim but some of the coaches have to take stick as well. Absolutely no wonder we're a mess defensively if that's what they are thinking. They are still in the dark ages and are assuming the opposition always go 442 there. What do you do when the opponent has a top CAM that has been told to play between the lines?

Tim and Les are cut from the same crappy cloth. Both clueless on this side of the game.

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