The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Copacabana Edition 16th May 2014

DaSpurs · May 20, 2014

zzz said:
So do you think they will spend big on Suarez this year? Would the pressure of not winning the CL force Perez's hand somewhat, as he doesn't have to promise big this year? I know only Rodgers could answer this, but who would be an ideal replacement (not that you could find an ideal one) and would that kick off a transfer merry go round like the Torres deal did previously.

I'm not directly asking an ITK for the information, but I would presume that there would be contingencies already in place and any action could effect spurs down the line. Specially if Ade finds himself in France. It could be a case of other clubs ITK's reinforcing statements made by our ITK's. Would be an ideal scenario for "the journalist" in my opinion.

I genuinely have no idea how I think that one will turn out. On one hand you're right that the CL failure again will likely drive them on again for a major acquisition (their fans have been calling for a Benzema replacement for over a year now), but Suarez admittedly looks to have become rather committed to 'pool's cause. I think it would take yet another world record bid to pry him away, and I just can't see them coming up with that kind of money again.

Maybe they'll rescue Cavani from PSG? I dunno, can't imagine their fans being satisfied with that.

cjsimba · May 20, 2014

ShaunL84 said:
Paco Ayestaran was on Sky Sports News earlier and he said that he spoke to Ancelotti in Dubai when he was PSG manager and Carlo said to him that his mind was in France but his heart was in England and for the Premier League.

I could be mistaken but I thought he was talking about Benitez with regards to this?

Barry Mead · May 20, 2014

Spurrific said:
I think you lot need to stop reading into the guy's body language so much, the amount of you obsessing over it is weird.

He's cool, he doesn't goofily smile all the time - because he's not a fucking gefilte-fish-brained retard.

If we do sell him, I look forward to you all raving about whatever downgrade we bring in to replace him who wears his heart on his sleeve and 'bleeds for the club' (by occasionally jumping in front of a football).

I'm leaving it there, off topic enough and I can't be bothered. BAI

You know before he was ever linked to us I wanted us to sign him, but that was having watched him at Ajax where at times he displayed the same characteristics in certain games. I figured that maybe stepping up into the PL in a more competitive league that would go away but it is clearly there, I'm just surprised you don't see it.
It's not in his grim looking demeanour that is just an outward display but in his game, his focus (or rather lack of it), and his lethargic approach
I'm disappointed that a player of his potential is currently failing to fulfil it as much as he good if he can improve in that area. I look at player like Ledley King, Thiago Silva Carles Puyol all have/had a truly professional approach, they had the skill and vision but they had the focus and desire in every game. If Verts ever wants to be close to those players he'll need to reappraise himself, meanwhile until he does he'll never be the player he would be and to be perfectly honest I think I'd rather have a player with that bit less ability who is prepared to give 100 pc every game, because right now Verts isn't as good as maybe he'd like to think and sadly that's not because he hasn't got the skill to be

DaSpurs · May 20, 2014

HappySpur said:
More like Paco A-yesterday.

Get it?

Shit that was terrible by my own pathetic standards.

And you were doing so well today. Damn shame.

HappySpur · May 20, 2014

cjsimba said:
I could be mistaken but I thought he was talking about Benitez with regards to this?

This would seem more logical, wouldn't it. But, there has long been stories that they haven't talked since falling out in 2007.

Oddly, Paco just lost a devastating promotion battle a week ago in Mexico on penalties. Seems odd that he'd want to talk about Rafa or Carlos right now. I would imagine his muttering since the loss have probably been "are your fucking kidding me" or the obviously better Spanish translation.

ShaunL84 · May 20, 2014

cjsimba said:
I could be mistaken but I thought he was talking about Benitez with regards to this?

No, the interviewer asked him about Benitez being linked to the Spurs job and whether he would be interested in returning to England.

He said, everybody loves working in England and he then talked about Ancelotti and him meeting in Dubai and Carlo saying the same thing about his heart being in England.

sak11 · May 20, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
Like AVB you mean.

AVB managed unsuccessfully in the premier league. Poch has been, relatively speaking, more successful.

septicsac · May 20, 2014

I think either FDB or Poch could have been done by now, if we were not waiting to see what happened after the CL final. I t may be a long shot but we would be foolish to risk the chance on missing out on CA for the sake of a few days. Maybe I am dreaming, but we live in hope.

yankspurs · May 20, 2014

ShaunL84 said:
Paco Ayestaran was on Sky Sports News earlier and he said that he spoke to Ancelotti in Dubai when he was PSG manager and Carlo said to him that his mind was in France but his heart was in England and for the Premier League.

Here's to Daniel waiting till after the CL final to get Ancelotti

yankspurs · May 20, 2014

sak11 said:
AVB managed unsuccessfully in the premier league. Poch has been, relatively speaking, more successful.

AVB got higher on the table, so he has been statistically more successful.

SargeantMeatCurtains · May 21, 2014

I must have missed the ITK about dawson being a shit ****, vertonghen being a lazy ****, and susan boyle giving head.

Gedson100 · May 21, 2014

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
I must have missed the ITK about dawson being a shit ****, vertonghen being a lazy ****, and susan boyle giving head.

It's been a slow news day.

sak11 · May 21, 2014

Spurger King said:
It's neither, unless you can highlight where I said that this is categorically what the players would think?

It's a concern. I've never met Pochettino so have no idea how quickly he might endear himself to the players. However, I'm making the point that there has been quite a bit of turmoil at our club over the last few seasons, and it's widely considered to be largely down to the attitude of some of our players.

In an ideal world we'd have a squad of players without egos, without inflated ideas of how good they are, or without ambitions that lie away from our club. They'd do exactly what the new manager tells them, and always put in 100%.

The reality is that we seem to have some real problems with attitude in our current squad. This was highlighted spectacularly under Sherwood (though his woeful man management didn't exactly help matters). With that in mind, getting someone in that the players respect is one of the most important things we can do this window. If it turns out to be Pochettino, then great. He could end up being incredibly popular with the players, and even more popular with the fans due to the style of football he has us playing.

There's also the chance that he'll bring in double training sessions like he did at Southampton, and fail to understand that a group of players like ours need to be handled in a different way to those at Southampton. Like Sherwood said, a lot of our players seem to think they're doing the club a favour by being here. Do you think many players at Southampton felt like that? Or do you think a lot of them were grateful at having the opportunity to play at the highest level, and were in no position to kick up a fuss?

Benitez wouldn't get us playing pretty football, but he knows how to manage arrogant and difficult players. We've had two extremely inexperienced managers in a row now, and neither of them seemed to command a great deal of respect. Pochettino has no experience of working with players at our level, and would be coming into a highly unsettled squad (unlike at Southampton, for example). That's why it's a risk, in my humble opinion.

I would counter that with the argument that Po

yankspurs said:
AVB got higher on the table, so he has been statistically more successful.

I just cannot be bothered to get into this..... Wu-Saa

TEESSIDE1 · May 21, 2014

yankspurs said:
AVB got higher on the table, so he has been statistically more successful.

And his prem stats are far superior than those of Poch.

TEESSIDE1 · May 21, 2014

sak11 said:
AVB managed unsuccessfully in the premier league. Poch has been, relatively speaking, more successful.

What utter tosh.

Stats inc all comp's.

Poch W23 D18 L19 Win 38%

AVB W44 D20 L16 Win 55%

AVB has his faults and wasn't suited to our style but to say Poch has been more successful is garbage.

maglajz · May 21, 2014

TEESSIDE1 said:
What utter tosh.

Stats inc all comp's.

Poch W23 D18 L19 Win 38%

AVB W44 D20 L16 Win 55%

AVB has his faults and wasn't suited to our style but to say Poch has been more successful is garbage.

Are you really comparing win % of Southampton manager that played in PL and domestic cups against manager of Chelsea and Tottenham whose games also include team like Tromso and Tbilisi? Of course he has lower win percentage, if he had higher Southampton would be playing in Champions League next year.

Franchise60 · May 21, 2014

TEESSIDE1 said:
What utter tosh.

Stats inc all comp's.

Poch W23 D18 L19 Win 38%

AVB W44 D20 L16 Win 55%

AVB has his faults and wasn't suited to our style but to say Poch has been more successful is garbage.

Speaking of garbage...so moyes was more successful than Pulis this season, eh?

Context is a magical thing

DaSpurs · May 21, 2014

TEESSIDE1 said:
What utter tosh.

Stats inc all comp's.

Poch W23 D18 L19 Win 38%

AVB W44 D20 L16 Win 55%

AVB has his faults and wasn't suited to our style but to say Poch has been more successful is garbage.

Note the "relatively speaking." Poch had something like the 17th ranked wage budget in the league, and he finished 8th; while AVB finished 5th with the 6th highest budget. One did roughly par and won more, while the other far exceeded expectations. So "relatively speaking," it is not an astronomical statement to make as the point is certainly arguable.

spurs9 · May 21, 2014

TEESSIDE1 said:
What utter tosh.

Stats inc all comp's.

Poch W23 D18 L19 Win 38%

AVB W44 D20 L16 Win 55%

AVB has his faults and wasn't suited to our style but to say Poch has been more successful is garbage.

He did say "relatively speaking". Different players, expectations etc, Poch has arguably been more successful, especially if you take style of play in achieving it into account.

HappySpur · May 21, 2014

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
I must have missed the ITK about dawson being a shit ****, vertonghen being a lazy ****, and susan boyle giving head.

Me being annoying about people wanting to stay on track. This is a case where neg rep was deserved.

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