The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 4th July 2014

robin09 · Jul 4, 2014

Greenspur said:
You have an ignore list?

I'll quote you, cos he won't be able to see that.

absolute bobbins · Jul 4, 2014

Greenspur said:
You have an ignore list?

@HappySpur put me on it after I called him a RoboSexual

dovahkiin · Jul 4, 2014

a little bit from jasper:

We all know there is concrete interest in the player. Only bit of info unrelated is, we are checking visa status of an Argentinian youngster. Lloris has not asked to leave, but wants to wait before talking contract. Will Levy allow him to sit on two year contract with risk loosing him cheap is the question. I said last week his house is 'For Sale'.

i think the first sentence is about davies

Snarfalicious · Jul 4, 2014

dovahkiin said:
a little bit from jasper:

i think the first sentence is about davies

Let the "Argentinian youngster" guessing begin in 3, 2 and 1...

ryantegan · Jul 4, 2014

Snarfalicious said:
Let the "Argentinian youngster" guessing begin in 3, 2 and 1...

Carlos Kickaball apparently

gazzeh · Jul 4, 2014

Snarfalicious said:
Let the "Argentinian youngster" guessing begin in 3, 2 and 1...

Well whats this thread for? *cough* Luciano Vietto

Dirty Ewok · Jul 4, 2014

Snarfalicious said:
Let the "Argentinian youngster" guessing begin in 3, 2 and 1...

We've been rumored to a couple this summer already.....kids out of the River Plate youth setup if i am not mistaken, which would fit the "checking visa status"

King of Otters · Jul 4, 2014

Snarfalicious said:
Let the "Argentinian youngster" guessing begin in 3, 2 and 1...

What was the name of the Argentinian kid we were linked with a while back? All I remember is that he plays for River (I think), and there's YouTube footage of him scoring a wonder goal.

Cyspurs · Jul 4, 2014

Erik Lamela?

We'llWinThePrem · Jul 4, 2014

Jamturk said:
Best chance would be Monaco or 1 of the Turkish teams as their is little tax on high earners.

Falcao looks set for Real Madrid. Hopefully Monaco will look at Ade

Gaz_Gammon · Jul 4, 2014

absolute bobbins said:
Ok, neither of you seem to grasp what I'm saying. I never said he was useless, never said he didn't get us out of a jam last season but the fact remains that we need players who, when the manager says jump, ask 'how high' not 'why?'

Look at the French side, left Nasri at home despite having a very good season because by all accounts he's an arsehole and they're performing far beyond the French public's expectations.

I want Pochettino to succeed at Spurs and the fact is that he has a better chance of doing that without a player who is clearly willing to do what he wants, question and defy the head coach in front of the rest of the team.

If you truly, deep down, think that you motivate multi-millionaire footballers by demanding that they ask how high they should jump when asked, then you truly do not know how to manage people within a team at all.

Our supposed dumb arsed leader Sherwood (an ex player) understood that he was not going to get the best from Ade by making him train with the kids. Discipline any adult accordingly but never demean or insult their intelligence. We don't need managers who expect their team to be totally obedient, as that will never build team spirit or help build any long term team plan. If AVB didn't learn that from his Chel$ea debacle (though he said he did) then perhaps that's why he failed to get another PL job.

Finally Nasri, you say "by all accounts" but this like your thought on Ade is pure assumption and paper talk.

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 4, 2014

We all know that the Argentinian youngster is Lamela.

We're actually going to announce him as a new transfer because no one has seen him play for over 6 months...

SpurSince57 · Jul 4, 2014

absolute bobbins said:
Ok, neither of you seem to grasp what I'm saying. I never said he was useless, never said he didn't get us out of a jam last season but the fact remains that we need players who, when the manager says jump, ask 'how high' not 'why?'

Look at the French side, left Nasri at home despite having a very good season because by all accounts he's an arsehole and they're performing far beyond the French public's expectations.

I want Pochettino to succeed at Spurs and the fact is that he has a better chance of doing that without a player who is clearly willing to do what he wants, question and defy the head coach in front of the rest of the team.

The fact remains that we need a top-class striker, and they're rather tricky to get hold of, as our efforts over the past six years have demonstrated. It's also a fact that top-class strikers tend to be prima donnas. We also don't know the circumstances of the fall-out between Villas-Boas and Ade.

Neither is a football club the paras or the marines.

They're not exactly short of quality players, are they?

So does everyone, I hope. How long do you think he'll last if we end up relying on Soldado?

wiggo24 · Jul 4, 2014

I reckon the Argentinian youngster is probably Sebastian Druissi.

Linked with him a few weeks ago, and he RT'd some articles about Spurs on Twitter. VISA would explain the delay.

EDIT: @King of Otters - this is the one you mean I think

DiscoD1882 · Jul 4, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
Scored almost a goal every other game for Reading and Swansea and something like a goal every six games for us. Always seems that when we buy a player who has a respectable goals to games ratio they just crash and burn.

two words. no. three words. SIR LES FERDINAND.

HappySpur · Jul 4, 2014

Greenspur said:
You have an ignore list?

You don't?

HappySpur · Jul 4, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
Amongst much, much else, Ali Z posted: 'Ade is on ridiculous wages so very hard to move him on'.

When we signed Ade two years ago the Telegraph, which is probably the most trustworthy paper for this sort of thing, reported that he was on £100k a week and had taken a £4m signing-on fee to compensate for the cut in wages from £170k a week. That doesn't strike me as being 'ridiculous'.

So we would like to but not imminent. Well that seems fair. Ade's a tough case. Obviously talented and great when he's invested. But for somebody on his salary, he's not invested all the time. And that's hard on us. And that also tells me that we are going to have a last second resolution if there is movement as it will take a while to get somebody to buy him and then a bit for us to finalize a replacement. But I wouldn't be here if I didn't expect a crazy August

HappySpur · Jul 4, 2014

absolute bobbins said:
@HappySpur put me on it after I called him a RoboSexual

I took you off after I a 14 hour whacking session looking at robo-porn. Eventually I couldn't justify putting you on there because you were dead on.

I am weak.

StanSpur · Jul 4, 2014

Tyler24durden said:
The fact that Kono is available for £12m, the more I find it incredible that Levy isn't all over it.

We should look to take advantage of players in their last year of contract.

I'm sure that Richards is another one in the last year of his contract.

There are a lot of players entering the last year of the contract this season of good quality so i think most teams (especially with fair play in mind) will be taking this strategy. A lot of players in their mid 20s too which is a little odd.

In terms of what we are looking for there is not much in the defensive areas - the only LB of note is Marcelo and i'd imagine he'd be looking a little higher than us. CBs there are Schär, Chiellini, Ranocchia and Micah Richards maybe worth a look (i think Schär and Ranocchia for their age would be great signings at a cut price deal). Best of the rest, a certain van der Vaart (not really but the nostalgia is still there) Pato (still only 24! Bit of a Torres where you are sure somone could unlock that talent but it may never happen - valued at less than £7m now!) Huntelaar (wouldn't be a window without him being mentioned) Milner (not for me but brings certain qualities) Konoplyanka (as you mentioned and his mate) Yarmolenko and Rasmus Elm for a Sandro replacement/partner?. The "untouchables" in terms of Spurs would be Dzagoev, Dzeko, Benzema and Kroos (but what talent to be running down the clocks at their clubs). A few left field attacking options Doumbia (young enough) or Nasri (just vomited a little in my mouth but he is a great player for the left.....no chance for too many reasons).

Anyway gone off the ITK but my point is i would not be suprised if all chairman are looking at these kind of deals and would expect to see all these players mentioned either sign new deals or more likely they will transfer in the last couple of weeks of the window after a good game of cat and mouse.

Spurs Lodge Kittens · Jul 4, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
As far as i can see a team scoring just 55 goals has never won the PL. I could be wrong on this but to suggest that Spurs have more pressing issues in defence just does not make sense. I just do not see that we have a good set of forwards at all based on last season.

But we didn't start scoring goals until AVB was sacked. So i'd like to think we'd carry on our scoring ratio of the last 20-odd games or so, but stop them going in at the other end!

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