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Spot the playmaker!

DiscoD1882

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looks like he is priming mason to be our playmaker. however we need one. Modric would be nice.
 

Hoddle_Ledge

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I'm sorry, but playing Harry Kane at Center Attacking Mid just reeks of desperation to me. Wikipedia classifies him as a "Forward" (I'd love to know who decides positions on wiki) but I'm only assuming he has primarily fulfilled the role of "striker" for majority of his career before entering our first team. Either way, the club considers him enough of a striker to place him under "strikers" in the team page on the website.

Behind the striker in the #10 playmaker position is where he always played for the U21 team. And probably his best position if you were to ask him.
 

Nebby

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Our entire team is ordinary. None of the outfield players are top drawer, but neither are they awful. We're going to tread water this season unless the team as a unit can click, and become better than it's individual parts.

Although that appears unlikely, worse quality teams (Everton of old) have managed to do it.

Not helped by our inability to hold onto the ball in the forward third.
 

BringBack_leGin

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Harry Kane has played as an attacking midfielder in his career as much as he's played as a number 9. He has a bit of vision and can play a good pass, links well with midfield and scores goals. He may not be VDV, but there's a reason he gets compared to Sheringham in his style so much. Last night was not desperation, it was actually a good decision and Harry justified it by being by far our best outfield player.

I personally think, and I was watching him as a kid years back, he's just as likely to be a number 10 as he is a number 9.
 

dagraham

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We don't have players that are comfortable on the ball...

Agree. In CM, the only player who is truly comfortable on the ball is Debmele and unfortunately, although he's good with the ball at his feet he hasn't got a bloody clue what to do with it.
 

Time for Heroes

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My understanding of Poch system is that there is no single player who you would consider a playmaker.

The striker and the 3 attacking players behind him are meant to make stuff happen between themselves. Then Poch plays two defensive midfield players behind the front 4 to win the ball back as quickly as possible and to then move the ball quickly and efficiently (not being done well enough arguably)

So on Sunday i expect Eriksen, Lamela and Chadli to start and they are the players expected to create.

A playmaker is a role not really seen over here anyway, it is a role you are much more likely to see in South America.
 

mpickard2087

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I think one of the main problems is that whilst we have no outstanding 'playmaker', all the players we pick want to play in exactly the same way. All want the ball to feet, with the game in front of them. No one seems to want to get ahead of the ball or make a run to ask questions of the defence. When that is the case, even if we had a 'playmaker' he'd have no incisive options to use the ball.
 

SpursManChris

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We needed to offload central midfielders, and perhaps Sandro and Holtby were the only ones we got offers for. its about having buyers and the right price on offer.

You know that we still own Holtby right? I doubt we're poor enough financially to be in need of saving money and need another club to pay his wages.
 

jezz

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I think one of the main problems is that whilst we have no outstanding 'playmaker', all the players we pick want to play in exactly the same way. All want the ball to feet, with the game in front of them. No one seems to want to get ahead of the ball or make a run to ask questions of the defence. When that is the case, even if we had a 'playmaker' he'd have no incisive options to use the ball.
Remind me of how we scored against Arsenal?
 

SpursManChris

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Behind the striker in the #10 playmaker position is where he always played for the U21 team. And probably his best position if you were to ask him.
I can't help but thinking that players might as well start off with a clean slate as soon as they enter this level of football.
 

Reclamation Project

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You know that we still own Holtby right? I doubt we're poor enough financially to be in need of saving money and need another club to pay his wages.

Yes I do know we still own Holtby! Young Lewis happens to be on £60k a week, even if Hamburg are contributing to half of that, that is a saving of £1.5m for the season. I feel pretty sure General Levy would consider it a worthwhile saving.
 

mpickard2087

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Remind me of how we scored against Arsenal?

Right so your picking one example, when we played tactics that we aren't likely to play often, in a situation where the opposition turned over the ball on the edge of their own box...

What about our set-up the other 99.9% of the time?
 

SpursManChris

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The striker and the 3 attacking players behind him are meant to make stuff happen between themselves.

So on Sunday i expect Eriksen, Lamela and Chadli to start and they are the players expected to create.
And those three would seem like our primary mid-attack I think we can all agree. But I do think Eriksen is the critical part of that, playing the role that no one else seems to start games in, in the League, other than Lamela once when he started the West Ham match, which I've just noticed on our Official match page on our website. Can't say I recall that, is that right? It's not a data entry error? Anyone remember how he played?
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Booney

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Boring though it is, I've always thought that Poch is very much starting by sorting out our problems at the back before addressing the more attacking roles. It's all very sensible but doesn't make for the most thrilling games to watch unfortunately.

I'd be surprised if he honestly thought that Harry Kane was the long-term solution.
 

SpursManChris

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Yes I do know we still own Holtby! Young Lewis happens to be on £60k a week, even if Hamburg are contributing to half of that, that is a saving of £1.5m for the season. I feel pretty sure General Levy would consider it a worthwhile saving.
Well let's hope it can be put towards someone in January, if things don't start working out.
 

jezz

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Right so your picking one example, when we played tactics that we aren't likely to play often, in a situation where the opposition turned over the ball on the edge of their own box...

What about our set-up the other 99.9% of the time?
Chadlis other goals?
It's early stages in the manager's tenure.
I chose to give him time to bed in his philosophy.
I've seen plenty of player's running beyond the striker, unfortunately they have not been found.
It will come given time and patience.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Well he's all we have that Poch plays there in the Premier League. If he was confident in others to occupy the same position then surely he would have changed it up by now. But SURELY Lamela is a possibility for it and I'm surprised we've not seen it yet, especially as Eriksen has been nothing special. What do you think @Flashspur? Lamela as "trequartista" to use your words. I know you've thought Lamela may be able to pull it off and re-discover what he used to do in Argentina, pre-Roma.

I have been saying for a while now that for us at least Lamela has performed better from central positions. Most of his good play has come from the no10 area not out wide.
 
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