Lionel Messi- The Record Breaker

michaelden · Nov 24, 2014

Ribble said:
Not really, it would still show up in drug testing. Even if he still was on it as part of ongoing treatment and had a medical exemption they'd know what levels they'd be expecting in his system when testing him. It's highly unlikely that he's been on it since he was a kid IMO. He's hardly suddenly become massive, it took years for him to become less than waif-like, and he's hardly comparable to the likes of CRonaldo and Bale when it comes to muscle mass even accounting for build.

HGH isn't like steroids, it has a much wider effect on the body. 1 big effect is recovery. And with him needing it as a child even if he took it until 23 it would've aided him even if the dose was only marginally above a natural level.

michaelden · Nov 24, 2014

Don't get me wrong, what he has done is amazing, and his talent which can't be altered via HGH afaik, is simply phenomenal. Don't let anything I say let you think I don't respect his achievements. I'm just more sceptical of any large financially motivated industry than I was ever previously

AW? · Nov 24, 2014

michaelden said:
HGH isn't like steroids, it has a much wider effect on the body. 1 big effect is recovery. And with him needing it as a child even if he took it until 23 it would've aided him even if the dose was only marginally above a natural level.

It's what dopers in cycling use isn't it?

Spurslove · Nov 24, 2014

Gassin's finest said:
In answer to "but can he do it on a wet wednesday in Stoke in the winter" was given in the CL game against Celtic the year before. Which was "no".

The original statement never mentioned Celtic, it was Stoke.

Gassin's finest · Nov 24, 2014

Spurslove said:
The original statement never mentioned Celtic, it was Stoke.

Read that post you quoted again...

Spurslove · Nov 24, 2014

Gassin's finest said:
Read that post you quoted again...

Ah. Right.

michaelden · Nov 24, 2014

AW? said:
It's what dopers in cycling use isn't it?

I believe they use a drug called EPO that increases the number of red blood cells so as to increase the efficiency of oxygenating their muscles.

Linky: -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/3101343.stm

http://www.somatropin.cn/effects.html

AW? · Nov 24, 2014

michaelden said:
I believe they use a drug called EPO that increases the number of red blood cells so as to increase the efficiency of oxygenating their muscles.

Linky: -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/3101343.stm

http://www.somatropin.cn/effects.html

No I know about EPO mate, i'm pretty sure they use a whole load of stuff though for recovery etc. I mean which sport needs it more when you think about how grueling their big tours are?

The whole of sport is full of juicing i'm pretty sure of it. Most sports aren't even tested for it. Rugby is completely and utterly full of it.

michaelden · Nov 24, 2014

AW? said:
No I know about EPO mate, i'm pretty sure they use a whole load of stuff though for recovery etc. I mean which sport needs it more when you think about how grueling their big tours are?

The whole of sport is full of juicing i'm pretty sure of it. Most sports aren't even tested for it. Rugby is completely and utterly full of it.

It wouldn't surprise me if golfers were on beta-blockers to aid focus

AW? · Nov 24, 2014

michaelden said:
It wouldn't surprise me if golfers were on beta-blockers to aid focus

I'd say almost certainly. They say concert musicians in the states use them all the time.

The biggest use of doping they say is with horse racing. So much money at stake, it's not rocket science and it's not like the horse is going to grass you up now is it? Perfect athlete when you think about it.

Drexl · Nov 24, 2014

Incredible player, but Fat Ronaldo before his injuries was the best player I have seen in my lifetime, light years ahead of Messi

lillywhites61 · Nov 24, 2014

Drexl said:
Incredible player, but Fat Ronaldo before his injuries was the best player I have seen in my lifetime, light years ahead of Messi

He was some player but to say he was light years ahead of Messi is nuts! The only thing Messi is missing is the World Cup. His records speak volumes, he is a machine! And plays the game it should be played as well.

Drexl · Nov 24, 2014

lillywhites61 said:
He was some player but to say he was light years ahead of Messi is nuts! The only thing Messi is missing is the World Cup. His records speak volumes, he is a machine! And plays the game it should be played as well.

Unlike Messi, Ronaldo was prolific in Holland, Italy and Brazil as well as Spain, as well as internationally, Messi has only proved himself in Spain, a 2/3 team league, the rest of La Liga is the level of the SPL

He needs to leave the comfort zone of Barca and play in other leagues to 'prove' himself

lillywhites61 · Nov 24, 2014

Drexl said:
Unlike Messi, Ronaldo was prolific in Holland, Italy and Brazil as well as Spain, as well as internationally, Messi has only proved himself in Spain, a 2/3 team league, the rest of La Liga is the level of the SPL

He needs to leave the comfort zone of Barca and play in other leagues to 'prove' himself

Yeh I get your point and it is what everyone always says about him, but do you honestly think he couldn't do it elsewhere? When he has consistently done it in the champions league over and again? The boy is pure class, I would love him to come to the EPL as I am sure it would dispel these thoughts, he would make mincemeat of most defences and half the defenders in the league would get sent off trying to deal with him.

Drexl · Nov 24, 2014

lillywhites61 said:
Yeh I get your point and it is what everyone always says about him, but do you honestly think he couldn't do it elsewhere? When he has consistently done it in the champions league over and again? The boy is pure class, I would love him to come to the EPL as I am sure it would dispel these thoughts, he would make mincemeat of most defences and half the defenders in the league would get sent off trying to deal with him.

I think he is currently the best player in the world

But I am just not convinced, until he takes up more challenges, that he is the best player ever, or even close to being, if he moves to EPL etc and keeps up similar form, I would consider him one of the all time greats

Mouse! · Nov 24, 2014

lillywhites61 said:
Yeh I get your point and it is what everyone always says about him, but do you honestly think he couldn't do it elsewhere? When he has consistently done it in the champions league over and again? The boy is pure class, I would love him to come to the EPL as I am sure it would dispel these thoughts, he would make mincemeat of most defences and half the defenders in the league would get sent off trying to deal with him.

Fazio would get himself sent off during the pre-match handshake.

werty · Nov 24, 2014

Drexl said:
Unlike Messi, Ronaldo was prolific in Holland, Italy and Brazil as well as Spain, as well as internationally, Messi has only proved himself in Spain, a 2/3 team league, the rest of La Liga is the level of the SPL

He needs to leave the comfort zone of Barca and play in other leagues to 'prove' himself

You either don't watch La Liga or the the SPL! The rest of La Liga is at least as strong as the Premier League and a lot stronger than the Brazilian and Dutch leagues were when Ronaldo played in them. Messi has spent his entire career in a big league, while Ronaldo has spent a few in weaker leagues.

Messi already has scored more goals than Ronaldo and has played far less games. Ronaldo's best ever season in terms of goals would only equal Messi's fourth, and in terms of goals per game Messi already has three better seasons. Ronaldo has 36 European goals in 72 games (one in every two games) while Messi has 72 goals in 93 games (one in ever 1.29 games.). Ronaldo has been better than Messi at international level and has had a couple of great World Cups where Messi hasn't really performed at his best in one.

Ronaldo was a great, great player. its a shame he got that injury and never fully recovered to what he was. But there is no way he's light years ahead of Messi.

goughie1966 · Nov 24, 2014

Drexl said:
Unlike Messi, Ronaldo was prolific in Holland, Italy and Brazil as well as Spain, as well as internationally, Messi has only proved himself in Spain, a 2/3 team league, the rest of La Liga is the level of the SPL

He needs to leave the comfort zone of Barca and play in other leagues to 'prove' himself

Sevilla, Valencia, Athletico Bilbao, Villarreal, Deportivo have all beaten English teams comfortably in recent years. Athletic Bilbao took Utd apart in 2012 scoring 5 times against them over 2 legs. The majority of the teams in La Liga would hold their own in the PL. All 4 teams in the Champions League and Europa League final last season were Spanish. And apart from the top 2 in Spain they get almost no TV money unlike our lot here and despite this they manage to compete and beat PL teams.

goughie1966 · Nov 24, 2014

lillywhites61 said:
He was some player but to say he was light years ahead of Messi is nuts! The only thing Messi is missing is the World Cup. His records speak volumes, he is a machine! And plays the game it should be played as well.

Ronaldo won a World Cup and was the highest goal scorer in WC's until this years competition. But you're right he was not light years ahead of Messi. But Maradona was better than both...

THFCSPURS19 · Nov 24, 2014

Drexl said:
Unlike Messi, Ronaldo was prolific in Holland, Italy and Brazil as well as Spain, as well as internationally, Messi has only proved himself in Spain, a 2/3 team league, the rest of La Liga is the level of the SPL

He needs to leave the comfort zone of Barca and play in other leagues to 'prove' himself

Messi is the top CL goalscorer. That's not just against Spanish teams.

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