New Stadium Details And Discussions

davidmatzdorf · Mar 29, 2015

acky99 said:
Test pile???? What is a test pile??

You only know so much about the ground conditions before you actually drill down there and see how the piles work in the actual soil and whether the drilling is as easy or difficult as expected. Also, the engineer's calculations for how deep, how big in diameter and how far apart each pile should be can be tested by trying a few piles and then test-loading them to see whether they perform as expected.

If it's so that they are only doing test piles, then my earlier comments about how they're 'building the stadium now' have to have a pinch of salt added. Only a pinch though: they're committed to a £49m building contract and this is the early stages of it.

Blake Griffin · Mar 29, 2015

redesign

timfrancis · Mar 29, 2015

acky99 said:
Test pile???? What is a test pile??

Something you get from sitting and watching too much cricket, I believe.

spursfan77 · Mar 29, 2015

Spurger King said:
Wasn't Rebrab was it?

No it was someone who was a new member and they used their real name as their name on here so some people worked out who he was and his connection pretty quickly. Like I say, I missed all that so not sure who it actually was. I'm assuming they are still in here under a new name.

jambreck · Mar 29, 2015

timfrancis said:
Something you get from sitting and watching too much cricket, I believe.

BehindEnemyLines · Mar 29, 2015

acky99 said:
Test pile???? What is a test pile??

It's when you poke about your are because you're not sure if its piles our a cleg nut.

Ionman34 · Mar 30, 2015

davidmatzdorf said:
You only know so much about the ground conditions before you actually drill down there and see how the piles work in the actual soil and whether the drilling is as easy or difficult as expected. Also, the engineer's calculations for how deep, how big in diameter and how far apart each pile should be can be tested by trying a few piles and then test-loading them to see whether they perform as expected.

If it's so that they are only doing test piles, then my earlier comments about how they're 'building the stadium now' have to have a pinch of salt added. Only a pinch though: they're committed to a £49m building contract and this is the early stages of it.

Test piles are more about checking the design and refinement if necessary.

The geotechnical reports will tell them the ground type, from which they will design. The test piles will corroborate. There may be some additions but, ostensibly, the design will remain pretty much the same.

It is standard practice to carry out test piles prior to commencement. I wouldn't expect any significant delay.

gregga · Mar 30, 2015

longtimespur said:
I've just come across this on skyscraper city and thought I'd post it on here.
"Hello

I've been dying to send this message.

I'm someone who is on here a lot but I chose to make a fake account, not 100% comfortable blabbing. It's not actually that much, I know some people want to stir the pot or whatever so I can take it with a pinch of salt, even everyone here I'm sure will but I thought I'd pass on what I was told today.

Person 1 who is a neighbour of someone at Tottenham (not high up as such but someone with importance) showed Person 1 apparently a small 30 page book of new redesigns for the new stadium. He stated at first it was a massive difference.

These were the few things we mentioned to me.

The stadium at one end (he didn't seem sure but had a think) the paxton end he believed had this amazing look on the outside, all glass. I wasn't sure if maybe it was actually the west side or even all the way around.

The weird thing he said was it had more of an egg shape from above, nothing that really made it too egg like though lol.

Kop remained of course as we know.

Capacity was 61k. I asked first about had it gone up in capacity to 61k but he said still speaking of the look on the outside which he said blew the person showing him away. So when I asked again about capacity he said 61K. So whether he was right or just picking up what I had said.

Also I asked about the sloped corners inside, again he didn't seem sure but said it seemed less emirates stadium inside.

I understand with all the information that is rumoured that it could be nothing, but I pretty much all but had confirmation that he was this person so that's what intrigued me.

That's all I got in a 5 minute conversation, he seemed to want to talk more about Harry Kane. Thought I'd pass it a long all the same."

I've no idea who the person is or how true the information
__________________

If this is true surely it will need to go back to Haringey for planning permission?

How long could that set things back? A year perhaps? Seems also to be a bit risky in that it affords pressure groups the opportunity to submit more objections to the scheme.

That said, given how long ago the original plans were drawn up, I can see why they would want to update the design.

GMI · Mar 30, 2015

Lilbaz said:
Didn't Edmonton say there would be a lot of glass on the redesign?

So do Spurs have a glass ceiling? :whistle:

Lilbaz · Mar 30, 2015

gregga said:
If this is true surely it will need to go back to Haringey for planning permission?

How long could that set things back? A year perhaps? Seems also to be a bit risky in that it affords pressure groups the opportunity to submit more objections to the scheme.

That said, given how long ago the original plans were drawn up, I can see why they would want to update the design.

Change of cladding doesn't usually need new planning permission I don't think. If there is a definite change in shape probably. A 10% change in capacity maybe aswell. But do we know the exact details of the planning permission? If it was for a stadium between 56 and 61k capacity we might get away with it as long as size doesn't change (seats could be closer together etc...). Also if we do need to change it I'm not sure it would take that long especially if we were already in negotiations.

jbstarr14 · Mar 30, 2015

whitesocks said:
A camera feed of Archway being demolished would be quite watchable...

Pretty sure there's already some grainy CCTV footage to this effect...

Mister Jez · Mar 30, 2015

Board to Board meeting tonight between THFC and THST, I would imagine everything stadium will be fairly high on the list.......

davidmatzdorf · Mar 30, 2015

Lilbaz said:
Change of cladding doesn't usually need new planning permission I don't think. If there is a definite change in shape probably. A 10% change in capacity maybe aswell. But do we know the exact details of the planning permission? If it was for a stadium between 56 and 61k capacity we might get away with it as long as size doesn't change (seats could be closer together etc...). Also if we do need to change it I'm not sure it would take that long especially if we were already in negotiations.

I haven't checked today, but I'm pretty sure the figure of 56,250 was mentioned in the title and main description of the original planning application - and then in the planning decision notice.

Whether or not a change in cladding would represent a 'minor amendment' to the existing planning consent, which could be decided on officers' delegated authority in a few weeks, would be a matter of judgment - and politics. In my experience, anything that meaningfully/materially changed the exterior appearance of a building of this size would be required to be the subject of a revised formal application.

If the capacity is to be changed, I would also expect that council to require an amended/updated transport study, health and safety report, perhaps acoustical report, etc.

longtimespur · Mar 30, 2015

I just hope that, if it ends up with glass, all the materials are strong enough to survive in Tottenham

ohwhenthespurs · Mar 30, 2015

davidmatzdorf said:
I haven't checked today, but I'm pretty sure the figure of 56,250 was mentioned in the title and main description of the original planning application - and then in the planning decision notice.

Whether or not a change in cladding would represent a 'minor amendment' to the existing planning consent, which could be decided on officers' delegated authority in a few weeks, would be a matter of judgment - and politics. In my experience, anything that meaningfully/materially changed the exterior appearance of a building of this size would be required to be the subject of a revised formal application.

If the capacity is to be changed, I would also expect that council to require an amended/updated transport study, health and safety report, perhaps acoustical report, etc.

Absolutely. I covered a fair few planning meetings back in my time as a news reporter, and I would imagine that any radical changes to the exterior - and I would think even a refresh and partial redesign would count as radical change to the aesthetic - would require fresh planning - especially with a project of this scale and potential sensitivity. Also adding an extra five thousand seats, with the knock-on effects on transit, parking, public transport, noise levels, policing, etc, I just can't see changes of that nature being waved through without further debate and possible objections from various parties.

spursfan77 · Mar 30, 2015

Mister Jez said:
Board to Board meeting tonight between THFC and THST, I would imagine everything stadium will be fairly high on the list.......

Yep here's the agenda. Hopefully we will get some info out of Levy. Don't see why not now.

The Boards of THST and THFC meet for their next formal meeting tonight, Monday 30 March.
The Agenda for this session has been shaped by questions submitted from THST members and is shared below.
Minutes from the meeting will follow later this week.

Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust
Tottenham Hotspur Football Club
Board to Board Meeting

Agenda

Monday 30 March 2015
Tottenham Hotspur Football & Athletic Co Ltd,Lilywhite House, 6pm

Attendees

THST Board:
Katrina Law, Co-chair
Martin Cloake, Co-chair
Suraj Sharma, Secretary
Paul Head
Kevin FItzgerald
Keith Sharp

THFC Board:
Daniel Levy, Chairman
Donna Cullen, Executive Director
Matthew Collecott, Finance and Operations Director
Ian Murphy, Head of Ticketing and Membership
Sue Tilling, Head of Safety
Jonathan Waite, Customer Services and Supporter Liaison Manager

1. Stadium/ Northumberland Development Project
· Timings for CPO completion
· Timescales for stadium build
· Funding and finances
· Stadium design – what’s being built?
· Safe Standing areas
· Disabled access/ facilities
· Transport infrastructure including White Hart Lane station
· Ground share options and timings

2. Ticketing
· Season Ticket renewals 2015 and 2016
· Phased payment options
· Pricing for season (s) away including amnesties
· Stretch pricing for new stadium, including multi-year deals
· Share TV Wealth campaign
· StubHub
· Commitment to fan consultation

3. Policing/Safety work
· Joint Club/ Trust approach
· Developing supporter input

4. Player development and recruitment
· Role of Director of Football, Chief Scout and Head Coach in player recruitment
· Academy
· Transfer policy
· Safeguarding transfer funds during the stadium build project

5. AOB

longtimespur · Mar 30, 2015

Thanks SF77, for the itinerary, hope we get some clarification on all things stadium related.

Booney · Mar 30, 2015

davidmatzdorf said:
You only know so much about the ground conditions before you actually drill down there and see how the piles work in the actual soil and whether the drilling is as easy or difficult as expected.

Given the history of the stadium development so far I'm going to wager that the drilling will be more difficult. Much more difficult.

Booney · Mar 30, 2015

Although no new formal application has gone in, presumably Spurs would have already engaged in some dialogue with the planning department at Haringey if they were considering a redesign?

Appreciate that the timing of any announcement is politically sensitive but it's not in either side's interests for there to be a major delay.

acky99 · Mar 30, 2015

What you are referring to is not a test pile but a bore hole, whereby they drill down using a 3/4 inch hollow drill and they then save the soil within the hollow drill in plastic tubes and send them off for analysis.
What I saw were piling drills, I have been on building sites for years and have never heard or seen a test pile. The analysis of the soil will determine the depth and breadth of the pile and how much point load each one can take, so there would be no reason to waste time and money doing a pile not to use it, as the structural engineer will calculate what the pile can take to a factor of 10.
So not to disregard what you are saying, but Edmonton on COYS have said that the piles in that area have been done, and I would tend to agree with him

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