Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

wiggo24 · Apr 29, 2015

The fact that some of you would be fine with selling him confuses me a little...

He's the only truly world class player we've got - and our replacement would be at leaast 2/3 tiers below. Since when did we ever improve after selling our best player?

Our aim should be to keep ALL our big players from now on, even if it means lowering the spending a little imo.

tototoner · Apr 30, 2015

wiggo24 said:
The fact that some of you would be fine with selling him confuses me a little...

He's the only truly world class player we've got - and our replacement would be at leaast 2/3 tiers below. Since when did we ever improve after selling our best player?

Our aim should be to keep ALL our big players from now on, even if it means lowering the spending a little imo.

Our replacement was bought last summer

DaSpurs · Apr 30, 2015

tototoner said:
Our replacement was bought last summer

I'm not so sure about that. I think we brought in Vorm because we got wise to the fact that Lloris places himself under considerably more risk than your average keeper because of his keeper sweeper tendency (see: Lukaku knee-induced concussion, Walker collision) and the fact he's not a powerfully built keeper given that riskier nature, and so we needed a more reliable backup than Friedel. If Vorm had been brought in with eye to being the eventual replacement, you better believe he'd not be pleased if the guy he was supposed to replace gets offered a five year contract less than two months later, thereby elevating him to such a status that only the continent's wealthiest clubs could hope to afford.

I think at his age he realized his dream of being a Prem starter and playing in the World Cup (this was apparently a big deal to him), and was content to move to London, spend every day at our training facilities, and have the lesser amount of pressure of being a No 2 (but would inevitably see playing time given the risk-taking nature of the No 1).

Spurger King · Apr 30, 2015

DaSpurs said:
I'm not so sure about that. I think we brought in Vorm because we got wise to the fact that Lloris places himself under considerably more risk than your average keeper because of his keeper sweeper tendency (see: Lukaku knee-induced concussion, Walker collision) and the fact he's not a powerfully built keeper given that riskier nature, and so we needed a more reliable backup than Friedel. If Vorm had been brought in with eye to being the eventual replacement, you better believe he'd not be pleased if the guy he was supposed to replace gets offered a five year contract less than two months later, thereby elevating him to such a status that only the continent's wealthiest clubs could hope to afford.

I think at his age he realized his dream of being a Prem starter and playing in the World Cup (this was apparently a big deal to him), and was content to move to London, spend every day at our training facilities, and have the lesser amount of pressure of being a No 2 (but would inevitably see playing time given the risk-taking nature of the No 1).

I think it could have been a bit of both.

Signing Vorm strengthens our bargaining position if Lloris leaves. If we just had Brad and a youth keeper left, selling clubs could hold us over a barrel. With Vorm we have a legitimate (albeit far from ideal) replacement, which makes it easier for us to negotiate.

Personally I think we'll end up with Vorm as our no. 1 keeper next season.

DaSpurs · Apr 30, 2015

Spurger King said:
I think it could have been a bit of both.

Signing Vorm strengthens our bargaining position if Lloris leaves. If we just had Brad and a youth keeper left, selling clubs could hold us over a barrel. With Vorm we have a legitimate (albeit far from ideal) replacement, which makes it easier for us to negotiate.

Personally I think we'll end up with Vorm as our no. 1 keeper next season.

That's a good point in truth.

Yeah, it's possible, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us move for a keeper like Horn. He wouldn't cost too a terrible amount, is young, is proven, and he's one of those which if we don't jump now, he'll be somewhere bigger in a few years.

chinaman · Apr 30, 2015

Selling Lloris will open a can of worms as far as our goalkeeping position is concerned.

DCSPUR · Apr 30, 2015

hugo should only be sold abroad
loris karius on a bosman

DaSpurs · Apr 30, 2015

DCSPUR said:
hugo should only be sold abroad
loris karius on a bosman

Karius signed a new contract this past winter unfortunately.

fortworthspur · Apr 30, 2015

It will be a long time before we have another keeper equal to Lloris. Guys like that dont grow on trees. Hope he stays but I wont blame him for leaving.

shelfboy68 · Apr 30, 2015

wiggo24 said:
The fact that some of you would be fine with selling him confuses me a little...

He's the only truly world class player we've got - and our replacement would be at leaast 2/3 tiers below. Since when did we ever improve after selling our best player?

Our aim should be to keep ALL our big players from now on, even if it means lowering the spending a little imo.

We are just dealing in reality here as we have very little to offer him a keeper of his class deserves and needs to be playing for big prizes in big competitions,which as you know rules us out game over.

arunspurs · Apr 30, 2015

wiggo24 said:
The fact that some of you would be fine with selling him confuses me a little...

He's the only truly world class player we've got - and our replacement would be at leaast 2/3 tiers below. Since when did we ever improve after selling our best player?

Our aim should be to keep ALL our big players from now on, even if it means lowering the spending a little imo.

Just remember, we got qualified for CL with Gomes between the sticks (n)

Of course losing Lloris would be a loss. But IMO, if we upgrade our back 4 & make them perform at a higher level then we can offset his loss with a solid keeper like Vorm.

TH1239 · Apr 30, 2015

Losing Lloris would be an absolute hammer blow to the club and to Pochettino in particular. Vorm is nowhere near the sweeper keeper Lloris is, and everyone will realize that once we play the top teams who can easily play through balls on our back four. The Kevin Wimmers of the world aren't going to do anything to solve our defensive crisis.

Lloris leaving also makes Vertonghen far more likely to leave too, and that sets a bad precedent for players like Kane and Eriksen next summer. Furthermore, with every team in the league flush with cash and guaranteed 300-450 million pounds of television revenue between 2016-2019, we're going to struggle to hold onto 6th place if we lose our best players and have to rely on Levy to to find replacements that meet his financial confines (if he even reinvests the money from sales).

Also, never forget how late Levy has left big money sales in the last decade. Berbatov, Modric, Van der Vaart, and Bale all were sold in the latter part of August. You'd like to think he'd reinvest that cash in strengthening the squad, but really, who knows how deep the club's desire to be austere extends these days.

luptic · Apr 30, 2015

Replacing Lloris with Vorm would be suicidal, he has done nothing of note to show me he is a worthy no1.

Everlasting Seconds · Apr 30, 2015

luptic said:
Replacing Lloris with Vorm would be suicidal, he has done nothing of note to show me he is a worthy no1.

The defence has done nothing of note to prove they are worthy of world class goalies. If we are going to concede 50 goals a year, rather it won't be whilst wasting the talent of a world class 20M+ goalie. I agree though, I'm afraid the acquisition of Vorm was a bit rushed. There are several talented goalies in the PL, some of which would have been a great fit.

Shadydan · Apr 30, 2015

luptic said:
Replacing Lloris with Vorm would be suicidal, he has done nothing of note to show me he is a worthy no1.

To be fair Vorm has shown that he's hood enough to be no1, the problem is that he doesn't hold a candle to Lloris who is a world class keeper.

ExpatFan · Apr 30, 2015

DaSpurs said:
That's a good point in truth.

Yeah, it's possible, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us move for a keeper like Horn. He wouldn't cost too a terrible amount, is young, is proven, and he's one of those which if we don't jump now, he'll be somewhere bigger in a few years.

Sadly, even if we do jump now, he'll still be somewhere bigger in a few years.

fortworthspur · Apr 30, 2015

Everlasting Seconds said:
The defence has done nothing of note to prove they are worthy of world class goalies. If we are going to concede 50 goals a year, rather it won't be whilst wasting the talent of a world class 20M+ goalie. I agree though, I'm afraid the acquisition of Vorm was a bit rushed. There are several talented goalies in the PL, some of which would have been a great fit.

SpursManChris · Apr 30, 2015

luptic said:
Replacing Lloris with Vorm would be suicidal, he has done nothing of note to show me he is a worthy no1.

I'm sorry, are we in the Champions League or something? It is important to understand that someone like Vorm is NOT below our level. Lets just keep our feet on the ground here. The issue is, we're so used to having a keeper of Lloris' quality, he's set a ridiculously HIGH standard for any keeper to replace him and that standard isn't likely to be matched. If it somehow does, we'll be the luckiest club in the history of world football.

SpursManChris · Apr 30, 2015

Everlasting Seconds said:
I agree though, I'm afraid the acquisition of Vorm was a bit rushed. There are several talented goalies in the PL, some of which would have been a great fit.

Better than Vorm? To be content to be a number 2? WHO?

Everlasting Seconds · Apr 30, 2015

SpursManChris said:
Better than Vorm? To be content to be a number 2? WHO?

Well, no. My intention was that ideally, if Lloris leave this summer, I'd like to be able to find the new #1 now. I kind of feel the Vorm deal was a bit rushed.

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