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$hoguN

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If So'ton can refuse offers for MS surely we can also refuse for Lloris.
Unless it's an exorbitant fee...keep Monsieur Lloris.
Even if it is £60 million, what is the point. We would get closer to challenging at the top by keeping him then we would by taking the money and re-investing.
 

Mr Pink

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Clubs such as Ajax and Porto and others have demonstrated very well what can be done as selling clubs. Even the scum and the scousers have been forced into it. Why do we think we are above this? Here's a few players the scousers have sold recently for example. Could be argued they're as important to them, or more so than ours, so why should we be immune?

Mascarano, Alonso, Torres, Suarez, Arbeloa just for starters

Only Torres went to a domestic rival, and lets be honest Chelsea arn't even a rival really, they are, and were at the time, well ahead of Liverpool.

Name me a top player they've sold recently to a rival in the PL? ie a team finishing near them in the League.
 

$hoguN

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Clubs such as Ajax and Porto and others have demonstrated very well what can be done as selling clubs. Even the scum and the scousers have been forced into it. Why do we think we are above this? Here's a few players the scousers have sold recently for example. Could be argued they're as important to them, or more so than ours, so why should we be immune?

Mascarano, Alonso, Torres, Suarez, Arbeloa just for starters
No they haven't. Ajax are a shadow of the club they once were, Porto won't be winning the CL again any time soon.

Even moving on to Arsenal, they have spent a shed load the last couple of years, but in reality their sales have cost them a real chance at winning things year after year.
 

PMS

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If selling Lloris meant that the profit we would make could be used to balance the losses we most likely will have from joggin on the deadwood. Then I'm all game.

Though it will be shame to see him go. I honestly think in the stage of his career he is too good for us.

And the opportunity to rid us deadwood and upgrade the first 11 is too tempting.
 

thekneaf

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You need to always aim for the top. Anything else and there's no point turning up. I'm a realist; we're not at 'top top' team but with many years of good planning and good luck we could be, one day.
 

yankspurs

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Even if it is £60 million, what is the point. We would get closer to challenging at the top by keeping him then we would by taking the money and re-investing.
I think it is painfully obvious that Levy has no intention of actually challanging for top 4 or anything above that for the next 5 or so years until the stadium is built, to be honest, so he has no problem selling our best players.
 

yankspurs

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If selling Lloris meant that the profit we would make could be used to balance the losses we most likely will have from joggin on the deadwood. Then I'm all game.

Though it will be shame to see him go. I honestly think in the stage of his career he is too good for us.

And the opportunity to rid us deadwood and upgrade the first 11 is too tempting.
Lloris has NOTHING to do with seling the deadwood. THe deadwood will be gone if there is interest, if the players are willing to go and if Levy is willng to actually sell at any price. Right now, none of those 3 things seem to be the case.
 

scat1620

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You need to always aim for the top. Anything else and there's no point turning up. I'm a realist; we're not at 'top top' team but with many years of good planning and good luck we could be, one day.
Not sure whether you're suggesting that you'd understand selling Lloris to Man Utd or whether you'd be outraged by it? (Not a dig, but a genuine question as the first half of your post suggests Outrage and the second half suggests Understanding.)

I'd definitely be in the Outraged camp myself. You might be able to gradually catch the teams above you by selling your best players to them and re-investing the proceeds in new players, but IMO we'd get there a whole load quicker by not selling our best players in the first place.
 

ItsBoris

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Even if it is £60 million, what is the point. We would get closer to challenging at the top by keeping him then we would by taking the money and re-investing.

Is a goalkeeper really worth that much money though?

We bought him for what, around 15 million? I don't see that he's improved THAT much since we've bought him (he was quality then as well), and I think we could buy a quality replacement for around 10-15 million. If United paid us, say, 40 million for him then we could take 15 of it to buy a quality replacement and then 25 million to fund other purchases (like Martial for example).
 

Mr Pink

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Well if the Lloris quotes are accurate, and arn't being wildly misrepresented and taken out of context, they're quite disrespectful in truth.

Contracted to 2019, Club captain, and openly talking about United's interest and being watchful of De Gea's situation.

Feck me.
 
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$hoguN

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Is a goalkeeper really worth that much money though?

We bought him for what, around 15 million? I don't see that he's improved THAT much since we've bought him (he was quality then as well), and I think we could buy a quality replacement for around 10-15 million. If United paid us, say, 40 million for him then we could take 15 of it to buy a quality replacement and then 25 million to fund other purchases (like Martial for example).

Look at Utd after Schmeichael left. Replacing great goalkeepers is almost impossible. The net loss to our first XI would be huge
 

@Bobby__Lucky

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Well if the Lloris quotes are accurate, and arn't being wildly misrepresented and taken out of context, they're quite disrespectful in truth.

Contracted to 2019 and openly talking about United's interest and being watchful of De Gea's situation.

Feck me.

which quotes?
 

Drexl

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Only Torres went to a domestic rival, and lets be honest Chelsea arn't even a rival really, they are, and were at the time, well ahead of Liverpool.

Name me a top player they've sold recently to a rival in the PL? ie a team finishing near them in the League.

Arsenal lost RVP to Utd, Nasri to City, both were crucial players at the time
 

millsey

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Even if it is £60 million, what is the point. We would get closer to challenging at the top by keeping him then we would by taking the money and re-investing.
Would we? Depends if you invest it wisely. There are a lot of good keepers out there. Buy 3 20 million players for the spine of the team and we should be stronger
 

Mr Pink

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Arsenal lost RVP to Utd, Nasri to City, both were crucial players at the time

Yeah but they're in a better position to cope by attracting a better caliber of player than we can in order to replace. Having regular CL makes that possible - and that has to be the aim for us.
 

THFCSPURS19

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Does Bale still play for Spurs?



Does Modric still play for Spurs?

I'm not talking about rumours to specific clubs or specific deals - once these players start getting seriously linked with leaving, and start giving press interviews where they hint heavily at leaving, they're gone.
We all know he will leave at some point, but not necessarily this summer- just like Modric.
 
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