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The current Soton defensive system is a lot more conservative than the one we play though.
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The current Soton defensive system is a lot more conservative than the one we play though.
TEESSIDE1
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You can't win... Toby was only good because he had 2 excellent DMs in front of him. Whereas our defence suffered because they had little protection from our central midfield pairing... yet Bentaleb and Mason were excellent and neither should be replaced in the 1st team. It's ridiculous... it's blatantly obvious that we need an experienced centre back and a quality central midfielder (to start instead of Mason).
Bus-Conductor
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No, it would be the much more risk averse and tactically disciplined system of their new manager.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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Seriously WTF?? I tell you what - going by your logic maybe we should have 10 centrebacks. We'll concede even less goals then, right? Christ alive.
Our defensive failings last season were down to lack of pressing from our front four, lack of experience from our midfield two and our whole team getting used to playing under a new manager. Not purely down to how many centre backs we have in the squad.
Why is it teams like chelsea/man city can survive with 3 specialist centre backs when they also have a lot of games? Champions league games where they have to play their first team and not rotate like we can in the EL?
Coaching the whole team to defend better needs to worked on not just collecting centre backs for the sake of it.
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JonnySpurs
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I'm not sure what all the fuss is about in here. Right now we have 3 good CB's in Vertonghen, Dier and Wimmer. All agree that those 3 are here to stay and all seem happy about it.
We're also being linked with Alderweireld who is clearly capable in the two best leagues in the world (La Liga and Prem) and has also played with Jan at Ajax. He would be a fine addition.
Then there is Fazio, Kaboul and Vlad. The latter two we can all agree are up for sale and won't be hear when season starts, most likely.
So the debate is whether we keep Fazio. I really don't think it would be a HUGE deal if we have 5 CB's. They will all get some games. If anything I think Jan played too many games last season, most likely cos we couldn't rely enough on Kaboul or Vlad.
Fazio is a good CB that SHOULD be better in the league this coming season. Not sure he has a particularly long term future here though.
In summary, signing Toby would be smart if he wants to come to us but I'm sure I read that the suggestion is that he may be off to Chelsea anyway where he'll just warm the bench and lets be honest, that happens all too often and will probably happen here too.
Debate over. Peace.
We're also being linked with Alderweireld who is clearly capable in the two best leagues in the world (La Liga and Prem) and has also played with Jan at Ajax. He would be a fine addition.
Then there is Fazio, Kaboul and Vlad. The latter two we can all agree are up for sale and won't be hear when season starts, most likely.
So the debate is whether we keep Fazio. I really don't think it would be a HUGE deal if we have 5 CB's. They will all get some games. If anything I think Jan played too many games last season, most likely cos we couldn't rely enough on Kaboul or Vlad.
Fazio is a good CB that SHOULD be better in the league this coming season. Not sure he has a particularly long term future here though.
In summary, signing Toby would be smart if he wants to come to us but I'm sure I read that the suggestion is that he may be off to Chelsea anyway where he'll just warm the bench and lets be honest, that happens all too often and will probably happen here too.
Debate over. Peace.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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Ideally we want as settled defence as possible. 2 first team centre backs and 2 back ups should be the aim. And beneath them 2 academy options with a clear route to the first team if we have a crisis. Any more first team/ back up options would likely just cause squad discontent. Also it must be taken into account that we are at the limit of our non-hg squad options so adding TA would probably mean having lack of cover in other areas.
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raggy
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After seeing Veljkovic's performances at the U20 World Cup I would hate to see his pathway blocked. About as solid of a defender as a 19 yr old can possibly be. Can only see a very bright future for him, and wouldn't want us to miss out on that.
Perhaps we can get away with loaning him out for this season but he needs to be given a shot next season.
Perhaps we can get away with loaning him out for this season but he needs to be given a shot next season.
GetSpurredOn
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So
Fazio/Alderweireld & Vertonghen
Dier & Wimmer
Velkjovic & Carter-Vickers
Alderweireld seems sensible given his history with Jan as a pair. However, if he is to sign, as rumoured in the media, I'd prefer it be at the expense of Fazio rather than add a 5th senior CB. I've nothing against Fazio, think our best spell (December) came with him and Jan as a pair, but for the sake of squad depth/balance, 4 senior CB's is just about right. Velkjovic is capable of being 5th choice.
Fazio/Alderweireld & Vertonghen
Dier & Wimmer
Velkjovic & Carter-Vickers
Alderweireld seems sensible given his history with Jan as a pair. However, if he is to sign, as rumoured in the media, I'd prefer it be at the expense of Fazio rather than add a 5th senior CB. I've nothing against Fazio, think our best spell (December) came with him and Jan as a pair, but for the sake of squad depth/balance, 4 senior CB's is just about right. Velkjovic is capable of being 5th choice.
Spinders
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I'm easy either way on this signing, he's an improvement but not completely necessary. £18 million though!? Really don't see the point for anything around that mark. Pretty sure Levy's attitude will be similar. And all of this reasoning definitely gives credence to this all being a strategy to increase our bargaining power with Schneiderlin.
We are over the limit on non-HG. I think we were at 19 on my last calculation (and the limit is 17)
A big squad is also a cause of disharmony. Mourinho is the king of managing squads and he tries to stick closely to a tight 22.
mpickard2087
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He's been ready for involvement for about 18 months now in my opinion. I know it can be argued that regular games at senior level is good for them but it was the same with people like Pritchard, just loaned out again and again risking their development. He looked good in the Championship with Peterborough, then for some reason stepped down to League One, then he again looked good (which for some reason surprised some people) in the Championship as he had two seasons prior... At some point you have to take the plunge and give these people a go if you think they have something about them then think long term and as you say, clear a path for them and be more selective of the signing.
dagraham
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This in a nutshell basically.
Since Poch has been manager we've signed Fazio, Dier, Davies and Yedlin. And now you can add Wimmer and Trippier.
Problem is, unless we go out and sign the best defenders in the world we will continue to concede goals unless a) the manager gets on the training ground and organises us better or b) we sign a top quality DM. Or preferably both.
Defensive performance can be improved with good coaching far more effectively than attacking performance (where the acquisition of individual match winners is a far greater factor).
I'm more concerned about getting a quality CF to compete with Kane, some real pace and goal threat out wide and a quality CM to partner Bentaleb.
What an absolute waste of 10M (give or take), wages and potentially blocking an opportunity for one of our youngsters.
If you compare the two on Squawka, Fazio enilates TA, granted stats can be deceptive, but for a player playing in the best defence in the EPL you'd think he'd be up there as one of the better defenders. It proves that Sotons defense had little to do compared to ours, why wonder why that was?
If you compare the two on Squawka, Fazio enilates TA, granted stats can be deceptive, but for a player playing in the best defence in the EPL you'd think he'd be up there as one of the better defenders. It proves that Sotons defense had little to do compared to ours, why wonder why that was?
mikeeegreen
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I'd like us to be signing players further up the pitch for a change! Starting with a decent CM!
mikeeegreen
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Our slow movement further up the pitch with our lack of pace and our inability to always play quick forward passes, put a lot of pressure on our back four. It's about team balance. We can keep signing defenders but not a lot will change until we get other areas sorted out.
mpickard2087
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It isn't about individuals. Tactically we have to be much smarter. We cant go in to every game playing a cm2, if we are going to press then we have to do it properly and on a consistent basis, we have to act as a unit and so if we are pressing the backline has to be braver and play higher up the pitch rather than leave so much space between the lines... etc. etc. etc.
Just changing the individuals in a misfiring system isn't going to achieve much.
Just changing the individuals in a misfiring system isn't going to achieve much.
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