Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

Spurslove · Jun 23, 2015

Berbatonghen said:
I remember watching saints at arsenal and TA had a beast of a game. Literally no one passed him and was the focal point in winning everything either in the air or ground.

He then went off injured and arsenal ended up scoring last min to win 1-0.

But from what I see a few times of him playing he was very very good. Without a doubt will improve our defence if he was to sign.

And I also think the £18m price tag on him is way off the mark. If we were to bid for him I can see it being in between £8-11m or maybe with add ons (levy special)

I am in the yes camp for this player. And I feel if we were interested we will have a good chance in getting him.

I too am firmly in the 'Yes' camp over Alderweireld and to be honest, if it takes £18 million to get him, I say sod it, go and get him. The benefits of having someone like that in our defence far outweigh the downside of how much it will cost us in the short to medium term.

Speculate to accumulate.

voxy28 · Jun 23, 2015

We should had gotten him 2 season ago instead we got Chriches and paid 2x the amt, speechless.

Likewise for Bony.... We went for Soldado.

Trix · Jun 23, 2015

TH1239 said:
Southampton conceded 46 goals with Fonte and Lovren as their main CB duo in 2013-2014, which isn't particularly great. This past season they only conceded 33 goals, which is a drastic improvement. Now, some may say that is all down to two excellent ball recycling midfielders in Wanyama and Schneiderlin, but here is a key fact: Wanyama and Schneiderlin played 1300 less minutes in 2014-2015 EPL games than in the previous season, as they both had injuries. To me, those numbers, plus what I saw when actually seeing him play for Southampton tell me Alderweireld was very good this past season.

But don't take my word for it, just go read this thread: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?53653-Toby#.VYcdzGTBzGc

Those are fans that watched him play all season and they almost all want him to stay. He's a good player who will improve us, and the fact he had zero individual defensive errors that led to goals last season should be something that appeals to us (for a comparison, per Squawka--Dier had 3, Vertonghen had 2, Fazio had 1 against Chelsea and the disastrous mistake against Fiorentina that let Gomez score).

Artur *throw it in his own net* Boruc may have been a bit of a factor to those stats aswell though. He isn't half the keeper Forster is.

Neon_Knight_ · Jun 23, 2015

We've been linked with this guy for years, so it's a shame we didn't sign him back when he was cheaper. I definitely remember wanting us to sign him the summer we got Vertonghen.

panoma · Jun 23, 2015

Our poor defensive record have little to do with what 4 indivduals that played in defense. It reflect the poor collective defending we did as a team, were especially Mason and Bentaleb offered to little defensively.

I also feel it would be very harsh to demote/sell Fazio after one season, especially when he played allright that season. This is a player that have a little bit of nastyness and presence, qualities we have lacked in defense for years. Would be very unfair to ship him out already, let the man settle in!

In addition we have Dier and Wimmer that both need minutes. No need to purchase a slightly above avarage CB in Toby to further block their way to the first team.

Maybe this is very optimistic ( or cynical?), but i wouldnt put it past Levy to "fake" interest in Toby to pressure Southampton into selling us Schneiderlin, and in return drop our "interest" in Toby.

daveduvet · Jun 23, 2015

Blackcanary said:
Are they? There seems to be some doubt as to whether we're pursuing him or not...?

E17yid said:
I'd happïly take this guy over Fazio.

Purely because I feel Fazio should be given the opportunity of a 2nd season to prove his worth.... Vertonghen had a first season adjusting - as per brad friedel on BBC 5 live interview etc ... Verts couldn't believe the pace of things when he first hooked up with us..

E17yid · Jun 23, 2015

daveduvet said:
Purely because I feel Fazio should be given the opportunity of a 2nd season to prove his worth.... Vertonghen had a first season adjusting - as per brad friedel on BBC 5 live interview etc ... Verts couldn't believe the pace of things when he first hooked up with us..

Verts smashed it in his first year. Didn't he score about 7 goals or something? Seemed to be able to handle the pace fine.

daveduvet · Jun 23, 2015

E17yid said:
Verts smashed it in his first year. Didn't he score about 7 goals or something? Seemed to be able to handle the pace fine.

I listened to a brad friedel interview with danny baker on BBC 5 and it was said that Verts couldn't believe the pace of the EPL and the difficulty he had adjusting; I don't disagree that he handled it well, but I feel - akin to lamella - Fazio should be given a 2nd season to prove his worth. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for 'hitting the ground running' but some folks need that settling in period

E17yid · Jun 23, 2015

daveduvet said:
I listened to a brad friedel interview with danny baker on BBC 5 and it was said that Verts couldn't believe the pace of the EPL and the difficulty he had adjusting; I don't disagree that he handled it well, but I feel - akin to lamella - Fazio should be given a 2nd season to prove his worth. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for 'hitting the ground running' but some folks need that settling in period

True, but sometimes it just doesn't work out like soldado or paulinho. I hope he does turn it around, obviously. I just haven't seen much to convince me he will

RButch · Jun 23, 2015

Streamline the squad, not bolster it even more with average/alright players. He is nothing special and definitely not better than we already have.

I think we are all good defensively now.

Lloris :notworthy:

, Vorm

Rose

, Davies

Vertonghen (y)

, Wimmer

Fazio

, Dier

Trippier

, Walker

/

, Yedlin

, Fredericks :unsure:

I'd rather put the £10M + wages towards Schneiderlin/Kramer along with adding some guile and PACE to the attack.

Ledleys Knee · Jun 24, 2015

Hertyid on Fazio:

I don't believe Fazio is leaving this summer. Poch likes him.

spurs9 · Jun 24, 2015

TH1239 said:
Southampton conceded 46 goals with Fonte and Lovren as their main CB duo in 2013-2014, which isn't particularly great. This past season they only conceded 33 goals, which is a drastic improvement. Now, some may say that is all down to two excellent ball recycling midfielders in Wanyama and Schneiderlin, but here is a key fact: Wanyama and Schneiderlin played 1300 less minutes in 2014-2015 EPL games than in the previous season, as they both had injuries. To me, those numbers, plus what I saw when actually seeing him play for Southampton tell me Alderweireld was very good this past season.

But don't take my word for it, just go read this thread: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?53653-Toby#.VYcdzGTBzGc

Those are fans that watched him play all season and they almost all want him to stay. He's a good player who will improve us, and the fact he had zero individual defensive errors that led to goals last season should be something that appeals to us (for a comparison, per Squawka--Dier had 3, Vertonghen had 2, Fazio had 1 against Chelsea and the disastrous mistake against Fiorentina that let Gomez score).

That's not true. In 2014/15 Wanyama and Schneiderlin played a combined total of 4546 minutes. In 2013/14, they played a combined total of 4424 minutes.

FreddieYid · Jun 24, 2015

E17yid said:
Verts smashed it in his first year. Didn't he score about 7 goals or something? Seemed to be able to handle the pace fine.

Well put it this way... If they were different players, I'd take the Vertonghen from his first season over the one that's played the last two

TH1239 · Jun 24, 2015

spurs9 said:
That's not true. In 2014/15 Wanyama and Schneiderlin played a combined total of 4546 minutes. In 2013/14, they played a combined total of 4424 minutes.

You are correct. I miscalculated the numbers. I guess that argument goes out the window then.

thebenjamin · Jun 24, 2015

Ledleys Knee said:
Hertyid on Fazio:

I don't believe Fazio is leaving this summer. Poch likes him.

If that's true then no chance of us buying another centre back.

Xeeleeyid · Jun 24, 2015

Unless we're planning o

thebenjamin said:
If that's true then no chance of us buying another centre back.

Unlikely isn't it? Fazio, Vertonghen, Dier and Wimmer. If Poch wants to keep Fazio and with the price being thrown around by Athletico for Alderweirald.

y1dk1d · Jun 24, 2015

Spurslove said:
I too am firmly in the 'Yes' camp over Alderweireld and to be honest, if it takes £18 to get him, I say sod it, and go get him. The benefits of having someone like that in our defence far outweigh the downside of how much it will cost us in the short to medium term.

Speculate to accumulate.

I strongly disagree with this part. That's an outrageous statement. Since when can we afford to pay so much for an average CB. That would be our 3rd highest paid transfer ever. A versatile forward and CM are priority

millsey · Jun 24, 2015

RButch said:
Streamline the squad, not bolster it even more with average/alright players. He is nothing special and definitely not better than we already have.

I think we are all good defensively now.

Lloris , Vorm

Rose , Davies

Vertonghen , Wimmer

Fazio , Dier

Trippier , Walker /, Yedlin , Fredericks

I'd rather put the £10M + wages towards Schneiderlin/Kramer along with adding some guile and PACE to the attack.

So last years, shocking, terrible defence who conceded a huge amount of goals, we have added trippier and Wimmer,. I don't think that is anywhere near enough to sort out our problems.

Blockbuster · Jun 24, 2015

y1dk1d said:
I strongly disagree with this part. That's an outrageous statement. Since when can we afford to pay so much for an average CB. That would be our 3rd highest paid transfer ever. A versatile forward and CM are priority

We paid that much for a below Average midfielder 2 summers ago....

RButch · Jun 24, 2015

millsey said:
So last years, shocking, terrible defence who conceded a huge amount of goals, we have added trippier and Wimmer,. I don't think that is anywhere near enough to sort out our problems.

Our defence is fine, we have some very good players as well as those that have great potential.

It is the lack of a defensive minded midfielder that causes our defensive woes. Plus the inability to press from the front makes our defence easy pickings on the counter.

I would graurentee that with the addition of a true CDM the amount of goals we concede next year will be reduced by at least 25%.

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