The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 20th July 2015

Spursidol · Jul 20, 2015

WiganSpur said:
Whilst this is right, there's still a risk.

No one knows if they will turn out as good as Mason, Bentaleb etc.

Better I think to sign some decent experienced players as well, particularly in midfield. We can always sell them later on if it turns out the kids are better footballers. If it turns out they need more developing then we've got solid experience so the results don't start to slip.

It's a good strategy to give the kids runs in cup competitions first, when they showcase their ability there then they become easier to put in the league side, which was exactly what happened with Harry Kane.

It only makes sense to buy a truly good experienced CM - otherwise they will not play much and are next season's deadwood. IMO I draw the line at someone like McCarthy/Suarez - they are ok, but not another Capoue/Stambouli.

If we cannot get the experienced CM, We have Bentaleb/Mason (last season's CM's) plus Alli (who ITK says has impressed the experienced players), Carroll (PL experience at Swansea and good at unlocking deep lying teams) and Veljkovic (DM) - 5 for 2 places. Lacking in lots of experience but better than buying an average CM.

BTW Alli was one of the main players when MK knocked ManU out of a cup, so not so sure he needs the 'experience in the cups' which you advocate.........

Joeyboey · Jul 20, 2015

I'm up for Bobby staying.

Players like Capoue, Kaboul, Ade, Azza etc all have questionable attitudes and/or work rate.

Bobby might not have cut the mustard but he's made of the right stuff and always given 100% for the team.

Grey Fox · Jul 20, 2015

NOT ITK but my guess from earlier conversations is that Carol could be one of the 3 and tied up with any Adebayor deal to Villa

Spursidol · Jul 20, 2015

Joeyboey said:
I'm up for Bobby staying.

Players like Capoue, Kaboul, Ade, Azza etc all have questionable attitudes and/or work rate.

Bobby might not have cut the mustard but he's made of the right stuff and always given 100% for the team.

Call me old fashioned, but I always thought the main job of a striker was to score goals ?

GetSpurredOn · Jul 20, 2015

Trix said:
I wouldn't have thought so mate as this one seems much more of a slow burner. Might happen but only if certain outs also happen first. CF and CM are still the priorities and Moses is not being lined up to fill either of those. As I have said before a second forward player(not CF specifically) will be dependant on the outgoings.

gilzeantheking said:
Jasper on SO

Soldado will NOT be sold unless we have an agreement in place on our target. If Ade goes I doubt that will change. There is another versatile striker we have been in discussions that may be near it end of window. That is the reason why we won't let Soldado go, who Poch and squad loves, unless we are able to swiftly sign another whilst we continue to negotiate on the one that will go to near end of window. Unless things change of course.

Ok, Jaspers suggestion kind of beat me to the point of where I was going to with this.
I took from Trix's ITK that based solely on who we have sold, and not who we are going to sell, signing a CM/DM and CF were our priorities right now, and our only ones as it stands.
However, reading deeper into Trix's comments, should the likes of Lennon, Ade and maybe Soldado go, then three out would likely only be replaced by one more in, a hybrid type WF/CF, someone to give us the added LWF option, but also capable of being our 3rd CF (if required). Moses?? Not my choice, but if he ticks the boxes for those that do have a say.... Would suggest why it's in the background only at this point.
Jaspers ITK then kind of confirmed that for me, as it stands we'll look for a CM and CF, but if an offer comes on for Soldado, then provided we could get the other forward we want, we'll pull the trigger, but only so long as we get a player we want, not just for the sake of it.

Spursidol · Jul 20, 2015

Grey Fox said:
NOT ITK but my guess from earlier conversations is that Carol could be one of the 3 and tied up with any Adebayor deal to Villa

Can you persuade Tim he really wants one of Chiriches, Soldado or Lennon to keep Adebayor company ?

More wages off would be better than Carroll

Lilbaz · Jul 20, 2015

GetSpurredOn said:
Ok, Jaspers suggestion kind of beat me to the point of where I was going to with this.
I took from Trix's ITK that based solely on who we have sold, and not who we are going to sell, signing a CM/DM and CF were our priorities right now, and our only ones as it stands.
However, reading deeper into Trix's comments, should the likes of Lennon, Ade and maybe Soldado go, then three out would likely only be replaced by one more in, a hybrid type WF/CF, someone to give us the added LWF option, but also capable of being our 3rd CF (if required). Moses?? Not my choice, but if he ticks the boxes for those that do have a say.... Would suggest why it's in the background only at this point.
Jaspers ITK then kind of confirmed that for me, as it stands we'll look for a CM and CF, but if an offer comes on for Soldado, then provided we could get the other forward we want, we'll pull the trigger, but only so long as we get a player we want, not just for the sake of it.

Possibly Berahino and Moses. Although moses can't score.

SpartanSpur · Jul 20, 2015

gilzeantheking said:
Jasper on SO

Soldado will NOT be sold unless we have an agreement in place on our target. If Ade goes I doubt that will change. There is another versatile striker we have been in discussions that may be near it end of window. That is the reason why we won't let Soldado go, who Poch and squad loves, unless we are able to swiftly sign another whilst we continue to negotiate on the one that will go to near end of window. Unless things change of course.

I wonder if this is also the one that 'needed the big fish to get out of the pond' mentioned previously. Could be a very exciting one if so.

Trees · Jul 20, 2015

Whilst I'm happy that the dead wood is getting culled, we must be conscious of not selling off all the family silver. I would guess that we have very high hopes for our youngsters (circa Leeds 1999) and that we are tight financially with the new stadium.

Gbspurs · Jul 20, 2015

thebenjamin said:
Love your romantic view of the quality of our academy players, but if those are our options next season we will achieve very little.

Given our recent history of academy successes and the players in question I see no reason not to hold a romanticised view.

Spursidol · Jul 20, 2015

Trees said:
Whilst I'm happy that the dead wood is getting culled, we must be conscious of not selling off all the family silver. I would guess that we have very high hopes for our youngsters (circa Leeds 1999) and that we are tight financially with the new stadium.

So far we seem to be looking to sell off Adebyor, Stambouli, Soldado, Chiriches and Lennon, Which of these do you classify as the family silver ?

Snarfalicious · Jul 20, 2015

I'd venture a guess and say Adebayor (Villa), Stambouli (PSG) and Fredericks (QPR) are the three to likely be on their way out next.

Mister Jez · Jul 20, 2015

gilzeantheking said:
Thought this was interesting, and an addition to his earlier post

Jasper on SO in response to

Whats to say that Plan A was the best player?

Plan A can easily be the player who we feel we can get at the right price, is the right age, fits the right profile, has the right amount of potential for example

Plan B or C could be top quality. But its a costly deal as we know we have to pay over the top.

You are right on everything.

I will blow my own little trumpet here. Two years ago I constantly called and hinted USA investment along with franchise and naming rights.

There you go, Plan D does not necessarily mean the player is d grade quality.

Mr Pink · Jul 20, 2015

Joeyboey said:
I'm up for Bobby staying.

Players like Capoue, Kaboul, Ade, Azza etc all have questionable attitudes and/or work rate.

Bobby might not have cut the mustard but he's made of the right stuff and always given 100% for the team.

There's a large part of me that agrees with this. Howvever, I can't help but feel that if we had to depend on him for any sort of sustained period we'd be handicapping ourselves unless something pretty dramatic changes with him.

Also he's on pretty big wages to be a third choice and just making early Carling Cup appearances and the like.

Totally fine if we do keep him, providing that doesn't affect our thinking/ability to bring in another forward.

I just fully expected us to be actively looking to move him on this summer, even if he's very popular in the dressing room.

Annabel · Jul 20, 2015

If we can get rid of Ade for anything less than paying up his full remaining year I'd have to count that as a win.

Pity to see Tom Carroll go, but I don't think he'd get any decent playing time & mid table does seem to be his level.

Lilbaz · Jul 20, 2015

Mr Pink said:
There's a large part of me that agrees with this. Howvever, I can't help but feel that if we had to depend on him for any sort of sustained period we'd be handicapping ourselves unless something pretty dramatic changes with him.

Also he's on pretty big wages to be a third choice and just making early Carling Cup appearances and the like.

I fully expected us to be actively looking to move him on this summer, even if he's very popular in the dressing room.

He's on £55k a week.

mark1208 · Jul 20, 2015

SpartanSpur said:
I wonder if this is also the one that 'needed the big fish to get out of the pond' mentioned previously. Could be a very exciting one if so.

This is the 1 whats doing my head in all the ITK have mentioned this one agree with you sounds a exciting signing cant for the life think of anyone it can be

Spursidol · Jul 20, 2015

Mister Jez said:
There you go, Plan D does not necessarily mean the player is d grade quality.

Trix has said something similar too.

Seems that 'Plan A' maybe someone manager knows best or is thought to be easiest to get etc, plans B, C, D maybe just as good players but thought maybe more difficult/costly/less likely (at least until we get seriously into negotiations)

mark1208 · Jul 20, 2015

Snarfalicious said:
I'd venture a guess and say Adebayor (Villa), Stambouli (PSG) and Fredericks (QPR) are the three to likely be on their way out next.

Thought Federicks was going to Rangers not QPR with Winks on loan

Lilbaz · Jul 20, 2015

mark1208 said:
Thought Federicks was going to Rangers not QPR with Winks on loan

Fredericks is so much better than the scottish 2nd division. He's also in the last year of his contract.

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